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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject is notable, but the article needs significant cleanup. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maurice Benayoun

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Sourcing for this biographical article all comes from either associated/autobiographical sources, or trivial mentions. There are a few books cited with slightly longer mentions (a couple pages out of 700, for example), but these are about one of his artworks and are not biographical, so I think they don't help the case for notability per WP:NOTINHERITED. WP:NARTIST isn't met as far as I can tell. For background, this article is very promotional and was originally written by a co-worker of Benayoun's and most substantive expansions appear to have some from other WP:SPAs. I think it is promotional enough that it might be a case for WP:TNT even if the artist is found to be notable. MrOllie (talk) 11:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. MrOllie (talk) 11:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I see MrOllie's comments and I already replied on the Talk page of the article.
    As there are more precise arguments here, and I wouldn't like to have been contributing to parts of this article for nothing, it is important to reply. It is true that the list of references and publications is not sufficient. Cleary bibliography hasn't been updated for a while, and this should be done. Google books list more than 800 books mentioning MB's work. Among them are monographs one of them includes around 20 articles written by notable authors on MB's work. The list of awards is less than half of the ones on his website. This includes the Golden Nica and 4 Prix Ars Electronica awards.
    More than 200 people produced 500+ contributions over 14 years. If this article is deleted I guess most of the contributors won't spend more time for anything. It will be a mere deletion of the artist on Wikipedia. Does it make sense to erase all this work? Regarding the argument about an early contributor as a collaborator. If you check the talk page, you see that she clearly mentioned that she was in touch with MB and she immediately proceeded to the adequate corrections. This was in 2007, and apparently, she collaborated with him on a project in 2012. Nobody apparently found facts that are inaccurate.
    For me, the AFD is a disproportionate action when a mere improvement of the article would do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.214.222.86 (talk) 08:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the subject is notable (a Golden Nica at Ars Electronica is a major award) , but the article should be completely re-written to reflect what independent, reliable sources say about Benayoun. The burden of this kind of cleanup should fall to the editors who want the un- or under-sourced text included. Reduce the article to a stub, then start over. Vexations (talk) 12:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and stubify - The artist is notable per WP:NARTIST however the article is problematic and should be pruned back to a stub. Clearly there are overt WP:COI and WP:PROMO issues; editors connected with the artist should stop editing it. 95% of the content belongs on his website, not here. All unsourced material, peacock terms and excessive detail should be deleted, as these are unencyclopedic. TNT is another option I would support; it could be d*leted an recreated in a more appropriate form by a completely unconnected editor. Netherzone (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree with Vexations assessment. Recently a similarly poorly written promotional article was moved back to draft. The article as it stands is really a mess, starting with "Born in Mascara, Algeria, in March 1957, as a war orphan." with no citation (and how is one born an orphan???). Because it is so poorly written and sourced it should be moved off the main space. Then some one who cares can clean it up in the draft space. 144.214.222.86's argument that the article has been around for a long time, with many contributors and therefor should be kept is not valid. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepThis article is clearly too detailed, with an excessive list of accomplishments. As a media art scholar, I'm fine with contributing to a profound revision, together with the people interested in improving it, cutting excessive info (I guess about 50% can be removed), more neutral rewording, and adding adequate references. This may take at least 2 weeks as it is not easy to find good sources. As the fact of Benayoun as "a war orphan" was mentioned in the discussion, I checked online and found that Benayoun's father died 4 months before his birth during the Algerian war (took 1 hour to find combined with genealogy sites) [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.214.222.86 (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/guerre_algerie_combats_maroc_tunisie/detail_fiche.php?ref=1575752&debut=0
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