Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikołaj Kwietniewski

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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mikołaj Kwietniewski

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hav:(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Subsub about a Polish soccer player, about to be deleted from Polish Wikipedia for not meeting pl wiki equivalent of WP:NSPORT. How about English Wikipedia? Are we more inclusive? I have trouble parsing the relevant criteria of WP:NFOOTY... Comments by experts appreciated. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:NFOOTY by playing 21 games in the Ekstraklasa and Liga I. Nominator should have understood the criteria before nominating. Just because he currently isn't notable on the Polish Wiki (which bases notability on playing x number of games in leagues on the IFFHS's Best League list) doesn't mean he isn't notable on the English Wiki. Dougal18 (talk) 11:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdaw. Yet another example how NFOOTY is broken, I guess :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "Broken" is a guideline that has arbitrary numbers of games played in leagues on arbitrary cutoffs of the IFFHS Best League list. Dougal18 (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually... so what? NFOOTY is just a supplementary suggestion. He fails NBIO and GNG. It's time to clean up such one liners sport spam entries. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While the NSPORT criteria may be met, this is a player would have a career that should be readily searchable on the Internet (Poland is well-connected), and I have come up with nothing beyond the fact they are signed onto a team. This means that the presumption of notability granted by NSPORT/NFOOTY (playing on a professional team) did not yield additional sources, and thus has failed, per WP:N. We need secondary and third-party sources to show this person should have a standalone article beyond just assertion of NFOOTY here. --Masem (t) 14:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- FYI, the best I found is this tiny news flash on a local/niche Polish site: [1]. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oh, come on... Yurek88 (talk) 06:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 14:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - clearly meets NFOOTBALL, young player at start of his career, there are sources out there. Giant Snowman 14:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NFOOTY subject is 21 years old and activly playing see little point in deleting it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – as per users above, clearly meets NFOOTY. Here's an entire archive of articles about him from one site, a video profile from another, a couple more articles...there are sources out there. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- As a caution, of the first link, maybe only 2 of those articles are actually usable as they provide significant coverage of the person, the others are just mentioning the name in passing which doesn't work for sourcing purposes. But now that these are identified, they need to be added to the article. --Masem (t) 13:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per above comments, this guy passes both NFOOTY and GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets both NFOOTY and GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 13:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if he is a young player at the start of his career who has done nothing of note, we should hold off on creating an article until he actually does something of note.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnpacklambert: do you ever actually look at any of the articles you vote on, read anyone else's arguments or conduct WP:BEFORE? It appears to me that you vote delete on every article regardless of the notability guidelines. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 15:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is absolutely not true. I vote to keep when it is warranted, and in this case keeping is not warranted. Wikipedia is not meant to be an exhaustive directory. People are supposed to only be included when they have actually done things to gain notability, not when they have just barely started a career.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and this article passes both the relevant notability guidelines (WP:FOOTY and WP:GNG). He has played in the top tier of Polish football and has recieved significant coverage from reliable secondary sources as a result. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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