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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Maybe someday, but consensus is that this person is not currently notable enough for a BLP. Courcelles (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mindaugas Vaitkūnas

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Doesn't meet WP:NMMA and regional grappling competitions and some local press are not enough to satisfy notability. Nswix (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

:Please don't delete, This page has many references and he has won many medals. He is discussed in many notable articles. I think it should remain on wikipedia. 89.146.4.167 (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC) Strike duplicate vote. Cullen328 (talk) 06:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete He doesn't appear to meet any WP notability criteria. His championships were in youth divisions at a minor federation's European tournament where his competitors were all from Lithuania in very small divisions. Junior ROTC awards also do not show notability nor does he pass WP:NMMA. The coverage appears to be routine sports reporting of results and fight announcements. Papaursa (talk) 16:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't be deleted since International Grappling Federal is an international competition (that takes place in Lithuania). The page is also well referenced and he is discussed in many articles. CedSev78 (talk) 22:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)— CedSev78 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
KEEP: I am Mr. Mindaugas Vaitkunas legal representative and I believe that Mr. Mindaugas Vaitkunas' profile should not be deleted since International Grappling Federal is an international, worldwide competition (that takes place in Lithuania), where Mindaugas Vaitkunas took second place in 2018 [1]. Therefore, even if Mr. Vaitkunas were not a notable figure in Mixed Marital Arts, he still meets the criteria of being a notable grappler by finishing second in a worldwide international competition, the International Grappling Federation World Grappling Championship.
Additionally, the articles in which Mr. Mindaugas Vaitkunas is referenced are not mainly fight announcements, but reference interviews that he conducted, fight outcomes, and Mr. Vaitkunas' achievements in grappling and mixed martial arts. CedSev78 (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Vaitkunas is notable based on his coverage and the competitions that he's taken part in, and also won on a number of occasions. His championship wins and extensive coverage in reliable Lithuanian sources demonstrate that. There are a lot of mentions in Lithuanian sources that are reliable. He is the winner of Absolute Championship and the European Grappling Championship, both notable events. He also fought in the King of the Cage and Gladiator Challenge MMA Organizations and he has an undefeated record. Additionally, he has competed in world championships and achieved second place in the male-adult division. Also, the International Grappling Federation, in which he has competed, is a major organization in Europe. All these factors contribute to his overall notability. Therefore, the article should be kept. Margareta00 (talk) 02:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    He's fought in a couple of regional grappling tournaments and had nothing but questionable MMA bouts (all against fighters with 0-1 records). He has no reliable coverage outside of statistics and some local coverage. Nswix (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An event which has a median number of 3 competitors per division (and only one had more than 6) is not considered a major event. 95 of the 129 competitors (about 74%) went home with medals. Papaursa (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He has multiple authentic coverages on him as of the article reference section. He also gained the second place on 2018 WORLD GRAPPLING CHAMPIONCHIP in the Adult(male)(Weight categories - 76 kg.)division. Link here.This is a notable event and securing second place in a World championship game makes him notable to be on Wikipedia. Krisboris (talk) 04:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC)— Krisboris (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete unless any editor can produce evidence of significant coverage in indisputably reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic. I do not consider participating in grappling in Lithuania to be evidence of notability without much stronger sources. Cullen328 (talk) 06:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The subject may very well become notable as his career in martial arts progresses. I think this is a classic case of WP:TOOSOON. --ARoseWolf 14:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - He's notable, as you can see from his mentions in major Lithuanian media. Here are some links that talk about him:
 https://www.lrytas.lt/sportas/startai/2018/11/26/news/islandas-biggi-tomassonas-neatvyks-i-kaune-vyksiancias-mma-kovos-narve-patyre-trauma-8360836

 http://www.old.sportas.info/naujienos/34370-lietuviai_susislave_pagrindinius_prizus.html

 https://www.visainfo.lt/europos-graplingo-cempionate-lietuviu-pergales-94187

 https://www.delfi.lt/sportas/kitos-sporto-sakos/europos-graplingo-cempionate-lietuviu-benefisas-72417824

I believe that he meets the criteria for notability, so his article shouldn't be deleted. Muagoi (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

— Muagoi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment All of these new users need to read WP:N and other basic WP policies. Mere mentions of fight results, or announcements of upcoming fights, does not constitute significant coverage and victories in small minor competitions do not pass any SNG. Please let me know if anyone does post coverage that meets WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 23:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But the coverage goes beyond mere announcements and includes information about his achievements, fight outcomes, and references to his interviews.
    Additionally as other users have commented above, the grappling championship is notable and he was second in this world championship. Grappling Federation is an international federation. It isn't local. Muagoi (talk) 01:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The only grappling championships Wikipedia, and the vast majority of the grappling community, recognizes as being legitimate world championships are ADCC and IBJJF. This "International Grappling Federation" you posted here, is a listed as a Lithuanian company, that hosts a "world championship" in Lithuania. Nswix (talk) 01:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's just another case of WP:TOOSOON. I don't know if there's enough WP:SIGCOV at all for an article to be made. Does anything meet WP:N? No. -- Wesoree (talk·contribs) 00:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC) edited 00:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He is a notable athlete from Lithuania. He has some achievements that could make him a notable athlete. Here are some links that might be helpful.
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Mindaugas Vaitkūnas was unbeatable among nineteen-year-olds at the European grappling championship. 

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He was one of the “King of the Cage ::: Baltic Tour 4” winner 

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He placed second in the 2018 WORLD GRAPPLING CHAMPIONSHIP. (Adult male division,76 kg) 

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Kinkordada (talk) 07:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ https://www.lrytas.lt/sportas/startai/2018/11/26/news/islandas-biggi-tomassonas-neatvyks-i-kaune-vyksiancias-mma-kovos-narve-patyre-trauma-8360836
  2. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20230405173433/https://www.visainfo.lt/europos-graplingo-cempionate-lietuviu-pergales-94187
  3. ^ https://www.sportas.lt/naujiena/266907/kotc-baltic-tour-4-gruzinas-uzlauze-k-buslio-ranka-p-zitinevicius-m-bagdonas-ir-e-puidaite-iveike-varzovus-is-uzsienio
  4. ^ https://m.kauno.diena.lt/naujienos/sportas/kitos-sporto-sakos/narvuose-kovotoju-aistros-ir-netiketi-rezultatai-891907
  5. ^ https://www.grapplingfederation.com/results-web/item/75-world-grappling-championship
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