Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Munyaradzi Diya

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The result was Delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Munyaradzi Diya

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As the article's creator I have added several references to show that he has played in a Pro League of which he helped his team Highlanders F.C. to second place finish in 2013.CrossTemple Jay 15:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because a league is in the non-western world, we need to recognize that the conversation is going to be in different places, and off different level of sources to create notability. This looks like WP:Systematic bias problems. And +1 to Crosstemplejay's reasoning, Sadads (talk) 15:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Arguments above are entirely incorrect. @Crosstemplejay: you may wish to refamiliarise yourself with WP:NFOOTY, the Malian league may contain profesisonal clubs, but there is no current consensus that it is a FULLY professional league. You are of course welcome to start a discussion at WT:FOOTY if you believe you have sources that indicate that it is. @Sadads: you may wish to reconsider your whole opinion or at least provide some evidence for your claim of systematic bias. At the moment, you just look boorish. Geographic locale has no impact on GNG whatsoever.

Moreover, despite the inference of the article, this, this, this, this and this all indicate he was an unused substitute in all matches in the 2014 African Nations Championship. Additionally National Football Teams have no record of a player by that name having been capped and so he appears to fail WP:NFOOTY as he has not played in fully professional league, nor played senior international football. No indication of any other achievements garnering significant reliable coverage to achieve GNG. Fenix down (talk) 16:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not changing position, this has been an endemic problem with AfDs for sports leagues and player articles that I have run into: teams or players at a level that would meet notability in the United States or Europe because of GNG coverage requirements, don't in other locations because of our English communities overzealous reliance on 1) Western governed international ranking systems and 2) reliable source materials, which are not produced in as large a quantity in developing countries, in as many accessible western languages on the internet. We have endemic problems in regards to coverage of non-Western public peoples, and I am reminded in these discussions how Wikipedia is perpetuating media imperialism. Sadads (talk) 14:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Then let's see some examples where such events have occured against consensus. Your unsupported rhetoric is as tiring as it is groundless. To refute your point quite readily, one only has to look at WP:FPL for a long list of non US / non-European leagues where there is consensus that the league is fully professional and therefore that players are generally considered notable. There are 38 of them. There are 33 US / European leagues confirmed as fully pro. Fenix down (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep To delete articles of top players in such non-western countries would show WP:BIAS and systemic racism. Nfitz (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Nfitz:

1 - you know full well the definition of FULLY professional leagues. Partially professional or those where FPL consensus is lacking are not deemed sufficient for NFOOTY. Mali is not on that list. For the millionth time, if you believe you have evidence to indicate Mali as an FPL, please present it for dicsussion at WT:FOOTY.

2 - Regardless of this, could you please show some significant reliable sources that would indicate GNG?

3 - Are you actually accusing other editors of racism, I would recommend you retract that statement or provide some evidence to back it up.

4 - Do you have any idea how patronising your comment about "inmpoverished" nations sounds? I can't believe that based on some strange subjective view of the wealth / standing of a nation you are seriously suggesting WP should have lower GNG standards?!?

5 - Not only is it patronising, it is also inherently self-contradictory, you throw unfounded accusations of bias around (again!), but in the same breath indicate you believe we should be biased against some nations by having a lower notability threshold. Fenix down (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL... JMHamo (talk) 11:28, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Fenix down Whatever we've done in the past, doesn't meant that this isn't WP:BIAS and systemic racism. And where have I ever accused any individual editor of racism? Do you understand what systemic means? Nfitz (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 17:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – playing in a top level league is not valid rationale for having an article, many top European leagues are not fully professional, and playing in them does not indicate sufficient notability. Comparing the Mali league to the German one for example is not a valid comparison. Perhaps it is at a similar level to the Irish league, players of which are not assumed automatically notable unless the WP:GNG is met. No keep arguments demonstrate that. C 679 04:33, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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