Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy LaMott

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy LaMott

Contested prod (you can probably guess who removed the prod if you've seen many AFDs lately). Original prod reasoning (by someone else) was "neither label nor awards are "major", no third-party sourcing, and no material relevant to any of the other criteria are mentioned." I also support deletion for those reasons. DreamGuy (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Prior to nomination this article for AfD, User:DreamGuy deleted the link to the subject's biography located at AllMusic.com, which is a reliable source that is independent of the subject. I have restored this link, and strongly support keeping this article it meets both the general notability guidelines and WP:CREATIVE. Varbas (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet investigation caught up with him... blocked as sock of a banned user, gets no votes and any of his edits can be reverted on sight by any editor. DreamGuy (talk) 20:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per the reliable sources noticeboard discussion, AllMusic is not a reliable source, and even the minority that suggests it could be reliable in some circumstances say it should not be used as an argument for notability. Even if it were an indication of notability it'd be the only one on the article, and you need multiple, independent reliable sources giving nontrivial coverage to establish enough notability for a Wikipedia article. This article fails GNG And WP:CREATIVE, and just insisting that it doesn't without any sort of rationale isn't an actual argument for keeping. DreamGuy (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin Please be aware that Varbas is currently under investigation as a possible sockpuppet of a banned user. DreamGuy (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ignoring any of the other issues mentioned above, a cursory Google news search brings up hundreds of mentions in reliable sources, with obituaries in major publications that do support many of the assertions in the article. I added a sample reference from a New York Times obituary , but there are a lot of third party sources out there. Other article issues have to be addressed, but the subject was the subject of nontrivial coverage. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails to meet any of the specific criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. Cited coverage (three New York obituaries) fails to provide sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. Article is almost entirely unsourced. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a New York Times obit has long been considered ample evidence of notability. Jfire (talk) 04:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Received media coverage beyond New York: Philadelphia, Dallas, San Antonio, St. Louis, etc. Zagalejo^^^ 04:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She sang at the White House twice for Bill & Hillary Clinton, and her posthumous album Ask Me Again was #12 on the 2008 Billboard Top Jazz albums chart - references are in the artice for those points. There's also a caberet performance venue named after her, Nancy LaMott Room, NY Daily News. --Tikilounge (talk) 04:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Ample sources showing notability. It seems that Hrafn doesn't like New York cabaret nor looking for sources, also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Friedman (composer). Review in NYT:[1]. There's a lot of news and book sources. Perhaps Hrafn and Dreamguy could find some sources to add to the article? Fences and windows (talk) 01:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Article about her dated 20 May 2009 starts, "We remember the late Nancy LaMott, one of best cararet singers ever, ..." and later quotes from the article include "In the last two years, Ms. LaMott had achieved a national reputation...", "New York Magazine voted her Best Cabaret Singer in their Best of New York issue. Even other singers routinely heaped praised on her: ..." - see article at:

Rick Busciglio (2009-05-20). "We remember Nancy LaMott". examiner.com. Retrieved 2009-05-30.

Comment: the above article is not a WP:RS (see WP:RS/N#examiner.com = paid blogging, no editorial oversight). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 07:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hrafn is right, I passed on using that as a source. Let's not get sloppy in our sourcing. Fences and windows (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.