Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neighborhood Planning Unit W

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete ^demon^{[omg plz]} 18:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neighborhood Planning Unit W

Non-notable neighborhood group. Article is written like a press release. Very much a promotional tone, and I suspect there are major WP:COI issues here. Speedy-tagged and removed. I didn't even bother with a {{prod}} as the discussion page dialog was already very contentious. Realkyhick 05:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative keep - I had already removed most of the "promotional" language prior to this article being nominated for deletion. Any residual "promotional" language can be cleaned up easily. I think the question is whether or not this organization is notable or not. Looks like a quasi-governmental group whose job is to be the first-pass filter on a number of municipal permit applications. Author claims that there is plenty of coverage in local Atlanta media. Assuming that he can provide cittions to these, I would argue that we should keep the article. --Richard 06:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non-notable. It's a local group with out any impact (or coverage for that matter) outside of their areas in Atlanta. 1redrun ^Talk 08:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete - no notability whatsoever, also seems to me like blatant advertising. Vox puppet (talk • contribs), 09:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Voxpuppet. This belongs on the city's own website where they can pay for the bandwidth. And adding a hundred paragraphs of cruft is not the best way of convincing me, BTW. Accounting4Taste 22:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what cruft is, but from the context it is clearly pejorative. I listed the citations below because I was told that notability required discussion in the local media and I was attempting to comply. Since what I put forward was not compelling, can I ask what you would find persuasive in a position sense? Emgilg1 04:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment on Emgilg1's long message below - I think that the "Delete" comments are a clear indication that this article was and still is poorly written. The text of the article has not managed to convince other Wikipedians that NPU-W is notable. The citations that you mention below help to establish its notability. However, what you need to do is weave the citations into the article in such a way that the reader can understand the importance of NPU-W.

--Richard 00:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Fair enough. Let me take a stab at revising it and including the citations. May I have a stay of execution for a couple of days to do so?

--Emgilg1 03:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD discussion last for five days barring an overwhelming consensus or obvious reason to close, neither of which exist here, so you have a little time. On question while I'm at it: Are there others of the these units in other Atlanta neighborhoods, and how to they compare to NPU-W? Realkyhick 03:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All 485,000 residents of Atlanta live within one of the twenty-four NPUs. However, NPU-W is unique for a number of reasons including a long tradition of speaking on issues which have had implications for the entirety of metro Atlanta, the State of Georgia, and in some cases nationally. NPU-W has also been a launching pad for political leaders. Most recently, an NPU-W Board Member, Margaret Kaiser, was elected to serve in the Georgia House of Representatives.

NPU-W also has a rich history with some fairly dark chapters, specifically, when former DeKalb County Georgia Sheriff Sidney Dorsey attempted to intimidate NPU-W into silence and/or acquiescence when his wife, former Atlanta City Council Member Sherry Dorsey, who nominally represented some of the NPU's residents, didn't like the NPU's positions on various issues. Sidney Dorsey achieved national fame later when he was convicted of arranging the assassination of Derwin Brown who had beaten Dorsey in the November 2000 election for the position of DeKalb County Sheriff. After Dorsey was convicted, a list of 25 names of other people to be assassinated was recovered and the Chair of NPU-W at that time was on the list.

So in response to your question about comparison, NPU-W is distinct in many ways from the other NPUs and hence, I believe, notable.

I will confess, when I first began trying to respond to people's comments on the article, I found it very frustrating; however, I have found the exercise useful as I have been able to substantially improve the content of the article. I believe I will be able to generate something that will withstand criticism and provide a positive contribution.:--Emgilg1 04:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations Offered as Basis for Notability

NPU-W does review issues of purely localized concern; however, it also deals with issues of concern to the entire 4,000,000 metro area of Atlanta as well as issues which are national in scope. If people are interested in details, I would be happy to provide them.

I don't think that size alone should be a requirement as I would imagine that if someone put up an article about a municipality of 20,000 people or less, no one would argue for its removal based on it being too small.

I would appreciate some clarity from those who are asserting "no notability whatsoever" and "blatant advertising" as I have reviewed the Wikipedia guidelines and cannot find support for their positions in them.

I have listed below some of the mentions of NPU-W in the local media. I can provide further if necessary.

NPU-W's actions with regard to a proposed Atlanta Park Authority, which would have removed the Parks Department from the City of Atlanta governmental structure and placed it under state control was discussed in The Status of Black Atlanta 2004, published by the Southern Center for Studies in Public Policy, Clark Atlanta University, ISBN 1-8900078-17-4, Publication 2004, Page 17. http://www.scspp.org/sba.htm

During the course of this action, NPU-W submitted legislation to be considered both by the City of Atlanta and the Georgia State Legislature.

The following are recent mentions of NPU-W in The Story, a publication which covers issues throughout metro Atlanta. The link for it is http://www.the-stories.com. I have listed various headlines, dates, and authors below for articles which discuss NPU-W.

East Atlanta residents add to Beltline Overlay District opposition By Marcus Franklin | February 1, 2007

NPU-W hears of Memorial development By Marcus Franklin | August 10, 2006

NPU-W okays zoning exceptions By Melody Heffner | July 6, 2006

APAB told city to adopt Beltline Redevelopment Plan into CDP Atlanta Department of Planning and Community Development Commissioner Steven Cover on Saturday announced at a meeting of the Atlanta Planning Advisory Board (APAB) that the city plans to adopt the Beltline Redevelopment Plan—created as a prerequisite to obtaining the Beltline Tax Allocation District (TAD) last year—into the city’s Comprehensive Development Plan (CDP) By John Schaffner | May 25, 2006

NPU-W rejects traffic ordinance City Councilwoman Anne Fauver’s new traffic calming ordinance has proven unpopular with Atlanta’s Neighborhood Planning Units, as NPU-W became the latest to reject the ordinance at its April meeting By Marcus Franklin | May 4, 2006

NPUs citywide give input on infill development at forum Atlanta’s 24 Neighborhood Planning Units (NPUs) had the opportunity to voice their opinions and needs with regard to Atlanta’s proposed infill development legislation at a public reporting forum Saturday, March 25, at The Boisfeuillet Jones Atlanta Civic Center By Amye Walters | March 30, 2006

NPU-W spends lively 15 minutes on major issues The last 15 minutes of the March 22 NPU-W meeting proved to be the liveliest, as four of the most pressing issues were brought to the floor during the meeting’s waning moments By Marcus Franklin | March 30, 2006

Vacated Omewood Park school to become Atlanta Charter Middle School The vacated Anne E. West school building has come one step closer towards being useful once again, thanks to a proposal from the Atlanta Charter Middle School—currently in its first year of operation on Grant Street—and a favorable vote taken at the Jan. 25 NPU-W meeting By Marcus Franklin | February 2, 2006

License for local bar doesn’t go down smoothly at NPU-W In what may have been its shortest meeting in years, Neighborhood Planning Unit D December 27 approved applications for three zoning changes, a subdivision review and a street abandonment in 59 minutes By Marcus Franklin | January 5, 2006

Grant Park finally okays Cherokee Lots site plan Representatives for the proposed Cherokee Lots came before GPNA to request a favorable recommendation for their site plan, which had been in development for months and has been discussed with the GPNA body during a number of previous meetings By Marcus Franklin | December 22, 2005

Beltline hearing becomes all public comment In a turn of events that Atlanta City Council member Ceasar C. Mitchell called “amazing,” Atlanta residents took the floor to make their comments about the proposed Beltline Redevelopment Plan and Tax Allocation District legislation at the Oct. 6 public hearing at City Hall before the architects of the proposals made their presentation By Amye Walters | October 13, 2005

NPU-W urges city formalize policy on TADs Neighborhood Planning Unit W last week voted 14-2 in favor of a resolution calling on the City of Atlanta to create a formal policy for the creation, implementation, operation and termination of tax allocation districts (TADs) within the city By John Schaffner | October 6, 2005

Editor’s Notes NPUs, APAB behind in time curve on Belt Line plan input By John Schaffner | September 22, 2005

East Atlanta gas station may be closer to getting addition The East Atlanta Community Association voted to approve the planned changes pending approval from the neighborhood’s business association By Marcus Franklin | September 15, 2005

NPU-W moving to East Atlanta library starting in September Neighborhood Planning Unit W held their last meeting at the Georgia Hill Center on Georgia Avenue last week and voted to move their monthly meeting to the new East Atlanta Branch Library at 400 Flat Shoals Ave. S.E. starting in September By Michelle Mendieta Mitchell | September 1, 2005

Crime, alcohol on the top of East Atlanta’s list at meeting Crime and alcohol were two prevalent topics of interest during Tuesday’s East Atlanta Community Association meeting, as the group heard two requests for alcohol licenses By Marcus Franklin | August 18, 2005

Supportive housing ordinance gets NPU-W’s attention The ordinance—proposed by City Councilman Ivory Lee Young Jr.—was designed to clear up zoning complications as well as to change requirements of community centers and supportive housing By Marcus Franklin | August 4, 2005

NPU-W approves Benteen Park development plans Neighborhood Planning Unit W began the summer season by approving a large-scale plan that would bring new homes to the Benteen Park area, though it is unknown at this point the number of houses the area will be able to accommodate By Marcus Franklin | June 30, 2005

Code enforcement moves into 20th century, NPU-W hears Code enforcement officer Harold Jackson paid a visit to Neighborhood Planning Unit W last week to inform everyone that “the city has gotten into the 20th century” by getting department of planning and community development employees uniforms, cars and computers for business use By Marcus Franklin | June 2, 2005

NPU-W denies liquor license, cites applicant’s past non-compliance One of Memorial Drive’s newest restaurants was denied a favorable recommendation for a liquor license from Neighborhood Planning Unit W last week, following the applicant’s non-compliance with previous beer and wine license conditions By Marcus Franklin | May 5, 2005

Editor’s Notes Watershed Management’s style in taking homes arrogant—again By John Schaffner | March 31, 2005

NPU-W debates Watershed Management taking of property A City of Atlanta Department of Watershed Management (DWM) sewer separation project—especially the initial plan to acquire private homes and property via the eminent domain process—was a cause of contention during last week’s Neighborhood Planning Unit W meeting By Marcus Franklin | March 31, 2005

Parking deck road show travels to NPU-W Members of the Piedmont Park Conservancy, Atlanta Botanical Garden and Friends of Piedmont Park were all on hand at the group’s February 23 meeting to state their views on the controversial Piedmont Park parking deck proposal By Marcus Franklin | March 3, 2005

Neighbors fight rezoning application Neighborhood Planning Unit W’s sleepy meeting two weeks ago was jarred awake when almost half of the attendees identified themselves as residents of a neighborhood vehemently opposed to a rezoning application By Julia Francesconi | February 10, 2005

Editor’s Notes NPUs air Piedmont Park parking deck via emails By John Schaffner | January 13, 2005

NPU-W struggles with wine drive-thru Neighborhood Planning Unit W ended its public year of business December 22 by electing the officers that will guide them through 2005 By Marcus Franklin | January 6, 2005

East Atlanta welcomes new officers Several different positions were open for nominations. Four officers—president, vice president, treasurer and secretary—were open, as well as a representative for The Porch Press, the community newsletter. EACA members elected Dennis Madsen, who was previously EACA’s Zoning and Land Use chair in 2004, as president By Marcus Franklin | December 16, 2004

NPU-W wants East Atlanta Village speed limits decreased NPU-W voted 10-2 last Wednesday on a resolution to change the speed limits on Flat Shoals Avenue to 15 mph (from McPherson Avenue to Glenwood Avenue) and on Glenwood Avenue to 20 mph (from Moreland Avenue to Patterson Avenue) By Michelle Mendieta Mitchell | November 24, 2004

NPU-W calls for alcohol ordinance repeal, greater community involvement The new alcohol ordinances, NPU-W Chair Ed Gilgor said, include a legal “bar” definition and a revision in the liquor license process By Michelle Mendieta Mitchell | November 4, 2004

NPU-W on sidewalk maintenance: Repair city’s responsibility Currently, if the city finds the sidewalk to be “unsatisfactory,” the property owner will be cited, given 10 days to reply and 30 days to bring the sidewalk “up to spec or the city will do it and put a tax lien against them,” explained Ed Gilgor, NPU-W’s chair November 4, 2004

Threat of city parking meters has East Atlanta up in arms East Atlanta Community Association resolution urges obtaining community support before meters are installed October 21, 2004

East Atlanta battles crime, parking fees Security concerns dominate the October meeting of the East Atlanta Community Association By Mike Mikula | October 21, 2004

Community prosecutors seek space in NPU-W NPU-W will help in finding space for the prosecutors By Marcus Franklin | September 30, 2004

NPU-W endorses raises for council, mayor, school board By Marcus Franklin | September 2, 2004

NPU-W pushes for Watershed Dept. accountability By Marcus Franklin | August 5, 2004

Letters to the Editor July 15, 2004

Special Public Interest district on its way to Memorial Drive By Layla Bellows | July 2, 2004

NPU-W leery of zoning changes By Layla Bellows | June 3, 2004

The donuts may be happy, but no one else is By Scott Christian | May 20, 2004

Planned development zoning gets NPU-W approval By Layla Bellows | May 6, 2004

NPU-W approves Mercer Street variances By Camille Goswick | February 26, 2004

NPU-W sides with East Atlanta, says no to liquor license By Camille Goswick | January 29, 2004

East Atlanta liquor license not in line with community interest By Layla Bellows | January 15, 2004

NPU-W carefully considers development throughout Grant Park By Layla Bellows | December 24, 2003

NPU-W, council okay Eastside TAD By Camille Goswick | December 4, 2003

NPU-W has mixed feelings about another Tax Allocation District By Camille Goswick | October 30, 2003

NPU-W approves Habitat rezoning, historic district expansion By Camille Goswick | September 4, 2003

Poncey-Highland: Increasing road capacity not the answer to traffic By Camille Goswick | July 24, 2003

Pedestrian safety along Ormewood Avenue requires community activism in East Atlanta By Layla Bellows | July 10, 2003

NPU-W denies CDBG grant, makes plans to improve traffic flow on Boulevard By Layla Bellows | June 25, 2003

NPU-W takes on unapproved building, supports homegrown conservation efforts By Layla Bellows | May 29, 2003

Residents approve parking exception for Boulevard retail center By Camille Goswick | April 24, 2003

NPUs disagree on city ordinances By Layla Bellows | April 3, 2003

NPU says no to alcohol license, outlines accomplishments, goals By Camille Goswick | January 23, 2003

City official blames voting residents for anticipated sewer rate increases By John Schaffner | December 27, 2002

Sewer review panel told 80% By John Schaffner | July 18, 2002

City unveils Turn Around Plan By Camille Goswick | July 18, 2002 --Emgilg1 20:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.