Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Ho King

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Ho King

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Highly unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST (and WP:SUSTAINED). Content which isn't related to the song isn't substantial enough to merit a stand-alone article. – Hilst [talk] 15:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it not only got popular because of the feud but it has been in business since 1976. So it will continue to be in the news and magazines (especially local ones like Now) as it has been for the last several decades Freedun (yippity yap) 18:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it will get coverage because it is a very popular restaurant in toronto regardless of the feud Freedun (yippity yap) 18:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, took a spin through the hits, and before the feud there’s not enough coverage for an article, just lists, listicles, coverage of nearby crime, and one art collective that named itself after the restaurant, everyday restaurant coverage stuff, not anything that would give the restuarant lasting notability. Ruth Bader Yinzburg (Ruth Bader Yinzburg)

Here are some news articles from a long while before the feud. [1] [2] Freedun (yippity yap) 02:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud or delete. There is no SIGCOV outside the feud and a shooting that occurred in proximity of the restaurant, therefore not enough to pass GNG independently. --hroest 17:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 07:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Sources published before the Kendrick Lamar song "Euphoria" was released on 30 April 2024:
  1. Shikatani, Gerry (1999-12-18). "Cuisine's familiar as an old friend". Toronto Star. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13 – via Newspapers.com.
    The review notes: "We do that now at the New Ho King, owned by Howard Wong (and his nephew Albert Wong) who once worked in his father's Rose Garden Cafe in Moose Jaw, Sask., a city where, in fact, writer Fred Wah's grandfather also cooked. The New Ho King's menu covers cooking from various regions of China, but more than anything, customers know it's grounded in Cantonese cuisine as familiar as an old friend. We remember the original Ho King on Dundas St. at Larch St., a tiny block east of Spadina Ave. There we'd pick at periwinkles in black bean sauce at 3 a.m. But 10 years ago, it closed its doors. Then in 1996, there was news. It had resurfaced on Spadina Ave. under new owners, but with their friend, original chef/owner Tom Quan, at the wok."
    The review notes: "It is quite simple, not high-end dramatic. But servings are large, and few Cantonese kitchens are cooking with such accomplishment and light touch, while leaving an equally light trace on the wallet."
  2. Kaplan, Ben (2008-01-12). "New Ho King Restaurant" (pages 1 and 2). National Post. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13 – via Newspapers.com.
    The review notes: "Our Chinese food restaurants should be open for delivery after the bars close, and this inexpensive Spadina Avenue Cantonese greasy spoon is as good as we've tasted any hour of the day. The pork chow mein ($6.95) is crunchy and the stir-fried noodle is wet, dripping with a tangy black bean sauce chock full of beef and bean sprouts Perhaps the General Tso chicken ($8.50) left something to be desired; a harder fried outer coating might have provided a sharper contrast with the white chicken meat, but this restaurant is a revelation—the only way to improve it would be to include a 3:05 a.m. helping of cold tea with its lightning-fast delivery."
  3. Chow, Jason (2008-02-02). "The Dawdling Dragon". National Post. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13 – via Newspapers.com.
    The review notes: "1. New Ho King. 416 Spadina Ave. Everybody knows this late-night spot feeds the drunks till 5 a.m. (see our cold tea story on Page 13), but few know that you actually don't have to endure a room filled with club-land loudmouths to get your fix of chow mein. The better alternative: Go home and call for delivery. You can get your fried rice in the comfort of your living room as late as 3 a.m. on weekdays and even later on weekends."
  4. Quadri, Sarah (2003). "New Ho King". In Clark, Alexandra (ed.). Cheapeats Toronto: Toronto's Guide to Good Inexpensive Restaurants. Plethora Press: Toronto. p. 83. ISBN 0-9731201-1-8. Retrieved 2024-06-13 – via Internet Archive.
    The book notes: "Even on a Sunday night you could be lined up outside the door for this place. New Ho attracts all ages until the wee hours of the morning. There's an unbelievable selection of Chinese and Cantonese dishes, all served very fresh at reasonable prices. Don't forget to try the hot & sour soup ($5) - excellent and they don't skimp on the shrimp. Other favs include the General Tso chicken ($7.95) and the eggplant and shrimp with garlic sauce ($8.50). A worthwhile stop in downtown Chinatown."
  5. Davey, Steven (2011-06-20). "New New Ho King". Now. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
    The article notes: "It might not be the most cutting-edge Cantonese kitchen on the Avenue but New Ho King is certainly one of the most popular as the lengthy lineups after last call will attest. To handle the crowds, NHK has moved into much larger and far swankier split-level digs three doors away. ... The food’s the same as it ever was, a little bit too salty and verging on over-cooked. Like that matters at 3 am?"
2. Sources published after the Kendrick Lamar song "Euphoria" was released on 30 April 2024:
  1. Brown, T.M. (2024-05-06). "A Chinese Restaurant Is Winning the Kendrick Lamar-Drake Beef. New Ho King, open since 1976 in Toronto, has become an unlikely pop-culture battleground after being featured in songs from both rappers". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2024-05-27. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
    The article notes: "Caught in the middle of this culture-consuming rivalry is New Ho King, an unassuming restaurant in Toronto’s Chinatown. The restaurant, which has served dishes like hot-pot grouper and tofu, and sweet-and-sour pork with pineapple to Torontonians for nearly 50 years, was briefly name-checked in “Euphoria.”"
  2. Cecco, Leyland (2024-05-10). "'There's been one winner – this restaurant': Toronto eatery is victor in Kendrick-Drake beef. Hip-hop luminaries bash each other in a diss track war of war of words featuring an unlikely venue: the New Ho King restaurant". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
    The article notes: "New Ho King, which has operated in the city’s Chinatown for nearly five decades, is still grappling with the newfound fame. Until recently, its tables would be sparsely populated on weekday evenings, picking up pace on the weekends as late-night crowds wandered in. But on a Thursday evening, a line snaked out the door as diners clamoured for a table. Passersby stopped outside the pink glow of the restaurant’s neon sign and posed for photos. ... Neither Lamar nor Drake specify which rice dish diners should order from the 14 menu options: the most popular is the Ho King Special Fried Rice, a mix of shrimp, pork, eggs, peas and lettuce."
  3. Assaly, Richie (2024-05-02). "Drake vs Kendrick: Toronto Chinese restaurant New Ho King takes centre stage in escalating rap beef". Toronto Star. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
    The article notes: "At 410 Spadina Ave., in the heart of Toronto’s historic Chinatown, New Ho King is a go-to spot for authentic Chinese food and late-night eats."
  4. Liu, Karon (2024-05-06). "We ate at Toronto's New Ho King, the spot Kendrick Lamar name-dropped. Here's what to order". Toronto Star. Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
    The article lists five dishes.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow New Ho King (Chinese: 新豪京) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Cunard (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep sufficient coverage in RS demonstrated above. AryKun (talk) 08:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the sources provided by Cunard show sufficient reliable sustained interest in the subject. We can always revisit if the standards change. Mojo Hand (talk) 15:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Following the research by Cunard, it appears that the subject satisfies the general notability guidelines. I think the sources independent of the Lamar-Drake feud have answered the nominator's concerns that this is a passing moment. Malinaccier (talk) 02:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.