Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nico Schoof

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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 02:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nico Schoof

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WP:BLP of a political figure, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL. Firstly, notability is not inherited, so he isn't automatically notable just because of who his brother is -- but in terms of establishing his own standalone notability, the only claim even being attempted here is that he's been a chair of political committees, with absolutely no indication that he's ever held a noteworthy political office, and there's only one footnote being cited to support the article, which is not enough to get him over WP:GNG all by itself.
As I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Dutch politics, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with more expertise in the area can expand the article with a stronger notability claim and better sourcing for it, but nothing stated here as of right now is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from needing more than just being somebody's brother. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Netherlands. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, can't find significant coverage of the subject. Ednabrenze (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Schoof was the mayor of FOUR different Dutch municipalities, among these Alphen aan den Rijn, a city of more than 100,000 inhabitants. The fact that his brother just became prime minister of the Netherlands SHOULD NOT be held against him. Family members of famous people can also be notable! gidonb (talk) 23:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayors aren't automatically notable just for being mayors either, not even in cities with over 100,000 inhabitants. The notability bar for a mayor is the ability to write and source a substantive article about his political impact — specific things he did as mayor, specific projects he spearheaded as mayor, specific effects his mayoralty had on the development of the city, and on and so forth — and just throwing the word "mayor" around is not dropping any mics on anything if that type of substantive content isn't present in the article to legitimize it. Bearcat (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one says it's automatic yet Dutch mayors of contemporary municipalities (+historic Frisian municipalities), all the equivalent of cities, are usually kept. It has to do with the differences between mayors in the Netherlands and in most other countries. gidonb (talk) 23:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am unsure about Gidonb's claim, but as it stands it's a BLP with one source, and will need to be deleted or draftifyed if better sources are not found. The pages on him in other languages are not helpful. SportingFlyer T·C 16:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not measured by references. gidonb (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The one source didn't really discuss him at all, and one source is required by BLP. I see you've added another source. SportingFlyer T·C 22:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did. gidonb (talk) 18:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's some articles on him, but they seem routine job descriptions and I don't really see him passing WP:GNG after a before search. SportingFlyer T·C 22:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I do not have time to reference this right now. Since Schoof also has a literal meaning and mayors are/were commonly mentioned without first names, it's complex. Someone else can reference and recreate this later. Another problem is that 1997–2008 roughly corresponds with the website to archive lull. gidonb (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this consensus is ultimately delete, we could draftify it for you? SportingFlyer T·C 23:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, SportingFlyer. I am really busy. Nico Schoof is notable yet probably the article was created by someone who thought it was cool that his brother had become prime minister. I just invested tons of time in saving Korfbal Combinatie Capelle. It's all too time consuming. It's way too easy to nominate and way too difficult to save articles. gidonb (talk) 23:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: Schoof served as mayor in four places, including Alphen aan den Rijn. Yet, the current references do not show his notability beyond standard coverage. To address this, we need to revise the article and focus on adding more robust sources and details. These extra details could help to showcase Schoof's impact and justify a standalone article. Draftification is crucial as it allows us to develop the article further, ensuring it meets WP:BLP.--AstridMitch (talk) 02:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per author's comments. This article is not ready for mainspace at the moment, it would need more sourcing. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 06:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as per @SportingFlyer suggestion. If more secondary sources provided, could sufficiently pass WP:GNG Vorann Gencov (talk) 13:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. No objection to draftication. gidonb (talk) 15:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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