Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Limit Kids

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 01:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No Limit Kids

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Subject is a film of questionable notability. The article itself is spammy and promotional. The reviews and sources come from questionable locations and could not find any reliable sources. Blatant SPA and COI issues. Christopher Connor (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

Disagree with the assertion that the film is non-notable.
- Principals of the company behind the film are well known industry professionals in Nashville (country, acoustic, and christian music) with over 30 years in the entertainment industry and have expanded into family film production over the past four years. Linking to them does not make this a COI in our option.
- Dove Foundation is arguably the industry's leading reviewer of films for family audiences and used by many Hollywood studios (Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, etc) as a means to rate and recommend films with the the Dove Family Approved Seal. They have recommended this film with a five star rating for family audiences. (http://www.dove.org)
- International distributor of this film "Moving Pictures Film and Television" is a well known foreign film distributor run by former Sony and Loinsgate executes. (http://movingpicturesfilmandtv.com)
- Gideon Film Festival is a leading family film festival and media arts conference held in NC with screenings and workshops by leading directors and producers in the genre. (http://gideonfilmfestival.com)
- KIDS FIRST! Film Festival is a ten year old, year-long event in 150 cities sponsored by the Coalition for Quality Children's Media Entertainment. Absolutely disagree that their review is "spammy", "questionable" and "not reliable" as their reviews and festival screenings are widely-recognized in the industry as a source for hi-quality family films.
- Marketing of the film is by Propeller Consulting, a leader in children's consumer products with over $1 billion in sales to their credit. (http://flypropeller.com)
- Bill Cobbs and Lee Meriwether are noteable and award winning actors. (Star meter IMDb usually 4000 or less.) Their credits are clearly recognized by Internet Movie Database as performers in this film.

Sorry, misread the instructions when first deleted the warning header... thought it said the tag could be removed with a note. Still relatively new to Wiki. I am the article's original creator. Lrcee (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC) — Lrcee (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

~~Weak delete~~ (Changing to Delete, see below) The film exists, it stars a couple of notable actors, and it has been invited to some minor film festivals. However, none of that is enough to satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for notability of films, found at Wikipedia:Notability (films). (I am saying "weak delete" rather than delete because I have often seen films get approved at AfD even though they do not satisfy the strict criteria of WP:NF.) See the companion AfD nomination for the film studio that produced it, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elevating Entertainment, above. --MelanieN (talk) 17:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Agree, there are many films less notable that are approved at AfD all the time. Even the originator of this deletion article initially commented (and later altered his statement) that this was "borderline." This film has just started its marketing. Don't be too quick to throw it out. The film has a sub-title, as it may be the first in a series. A search of the full title, lands a number of notable sources and outlets, reviews, etc of the movie, including TV Guide. :(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Perhaps the title of the Wiki Page should actually be No Limit Kids: Much Ado About Middle School Lrcee (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Lrcee, I'm crossing out the word "keep" from your comment above, because you already said "keep" in an earlier comment. You are welcome to comment here as much as you want, but you only get one "vote". --MelanieN (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Additional comment: I didn't know whether it would be appropriate to add an WP:SPA tag to Lrcee or not. He/she/they are the author of this page, but they are not new here, and this is not their only topic. They have been contributing to Wikipedia for 2 1/2 years. But in all that time, EVERY SINGLE edit has been related to Dave Moody and his businesses Lamon Records and Elevating Entertainment. Make of this what you will. --MelanieN (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. I am getting a bad vibe from MelanieN comment above regarding this article's author edit history - it smacks of potential for WP:COI. At this time, I would say that the film does NOT meet notability guidelines but, as others have said, it is a borderline case. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Recognizable named actors in the film. Source of reviews listed appear to be respected family content critics. Agree with basis consensus above that many other films less notable are included. TwoRiversWC (talk) 11:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC) Note: User:TwoRiversWC has made few or no edits outside this topic and has now been banned as a sockpuppet of User:Lrcee.[reply]
Weak Delete on the grounds of ~~not-yet-released (WP:CRYSTAL), and~~ over-promotional tone, and per MelanieN above (including the COI bit). (I know it's been made, but there's no guarantee of release.) The presence of other "less notable" films is not a reason for this one. Tag them if you think they're not notable, don't use them as excuses for other things. I'd never heard of the two blue-linked actors, but hey, they've probably never heard of me. Peridon (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Film is released. WP:V Quick search of outlets including Amazon, Deeper Shopping, many others all show DVD available and in-stock. More on Bill Cobbs and Lee Meriwether -- TwoRiversWC (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So the release date in the box (October 2010 is incorrect? Peridon (talk) 13:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, the infobox "release date" is wrong. The movie is available now on DVD through various outlets, soundtrack will be available in August as an mp3/download at Amazon.com. Shearonink (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Release date has been corrected in the Box. Thanks. Lrcee (talk) 17:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm changing my opinion from "Weak delete" to "Delete" based on the obvious conflict-of-interest gameplaying by Lrcee - who wrote the article and has provided the only "keep" !votes here, both directly and through a sockpuppet. His/her contribution profile makes it clear that he/she is only here to promote the interests of businessperson Dave Moody, and I hate to see Wikipedia used that way. --MelanieN (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.