Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nothing to Lose (Heroes)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No reliable sources for making an encyclopedia article. —Centrx→talk • 13:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to Lose (Heroes)

A single episode of a not enormous TV series. There is already an episode list article. Past experience suggest that redirtecting will be speedily reverted, so I brought it here for discussion. The article is functionally empty. Guy (Help!) 10:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no point in keeping an empty article on an episode of a semi-notable tv series. Jayden54 11:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. MER-C 12:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's a great show if I do say so myself, but individual episodes of not-very-widely-viewed television shows generally are not notable. Redirect to the show's main article. Srose (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A lot of shows have articles for individual episodes... Heroes is very popular, earning several nominations for numerous awards... if you delete it now, it's just going to be recreated in a few weeks when the episode comes to pass. We don't have to go trigger happy on the delete button just because the article was created a few weeks in advance... --light darkness^(talk) 20:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And that justifies one-line articles on episodes whose title has yet to be finalised? I don't think so. Guy (Help!) 18:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - All the other episodes have their own articles, why can't this one? Besides, the closer it gets to the air date, the more it will fill up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.249.94 (talk • contribs) January 4, 2007
Keep - Lots of shows have individual episodes listed. Liveforever22 02:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Okay so it was posted a little early.. big deal.. It will be back up within 2 months with full detail. Question to the people above who say it's "not-very-widely-viewed," Isn't the series the number 1 or 2 show of the new freshman class? With over ten million viewers an episode, and thats just the US. I wonder what widely viewed means to you deletionists.. EnsRedShirt 08:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mergists, actually. You'd gat about 70% less server space used if you merged the episode articles into a series article. That woudl also remove the objection that the episode articles mostly appear to be functionally empty. Guy (Help!) 09:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. JZG, I can appreciate what you were trying to do here, but this article has asserted its subjects notability pretty well, and I'd say it's better over all than...oh...Distractions (Heroes). I make no bones about this being a stub and not a great one at that. Still, it just seems odd, if not unfair, that any user persist on calling one article's deletion over others, especially after it's been improved rather than simply reposted. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 09:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - episodes of a TV series are inheritly notable, encyclopaedic and of wide spectrum of interest, reasons for deletion seems nullified due to the fact it's a stub now but when the episode airs it will grow exponentially. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Standard episode page. Someone should add the upcoming show template, though. - Peregrine Fisher 23:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
General comment. It's projected to air on 12 February. The title could change by then - it's already been switched around; the series could even be cancelled by that date. Additionally, all episodes of TV shows are not inherently notable, and 10 million viewers for an hour-long program is not really that great. Srose (talk) 02:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Cancelled? That's a stretch. Any title change can be handled by link repair and/or redirects. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...or merging to an episode list. Which makes much more sense and looks a lot less like fancruft. Incidentally, there are shows which have had ten million viewers in the UK alone. I don't think that's a huge figure for the US. Guy (Help!) 18:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's the highest rated show of the night, with about 15 million. see here. - Peregrine Fisher 19:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guy, no offense, but isn't it a bit unfair to use deletion, or articles for deletion to make the point that we should use a single one "Heroes season" page rather than pages for individual episodes. Should most/all the Heroes eps be deleted, we probably won't have much choice. But as is, "Nothing to Lose" was being used as scapegoat, and I just can't agree with that. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- I'm surprised that you think 10 million people who watch something isn't notable. It is the number one tv show among all the new releases this year, that alone has mean something. I'm wondering, how many people do you believe have to watch the show before you can say it is notable? --Pinkkeith 15:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If wikipedia has over 200 pages for episodes of Naruto, certainly it can give one up for Heroes. Static Universe 06:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep This is an upcoming episode confirmed by NBC and not a crystal ball episode. It just needs the upcoming episode tag. --Pinkkeith 15:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the title seems to be confirmed, and the article will cease to be a stub once the episode airs. Or were you planning to delete the article just for a few weeks? And it's ridiculous to claim this show isn't notable, it's one of the highest rated new shows, the highest rated in the 18-34 and 18-49 demographics, and NBC's highest rated new drama in five years. It also has a couple golden globe nominations. I'm not sure why some seem to be under the impression that only the highest rated shows should have episode articles. --Milo H Minderbinder 18:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge that mofo to an episode list. ~ Flame vip e r 22:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.