Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OSScamp

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OSScamp

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No independent, reliable third-party sources cited, see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Note that the one third-party source is by an author with the same name as the principal editor here, so there are WP:COI issues too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note PROD was removed, when I searched Google News I found no coverage of this topic. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - the News search above now finds 5 relaible sources. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - ~~Unsure, leaning delete~~ There are seven news sources found above. Two are on OSScube, which seems to be an unrelated company (or at least the focus is not on OSScamp). All of the five remaining news items seem to be press releases fromm OSScamp which these web sites have just posted. My original concern was notability, and it seems to me that this still lacks "multiple independent third-party sources" to establish notability, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Delete - this article has no valid hits in books or scholar (one false positive each), all of the images are from Flickr or Picasa, the news finds seven hits, but two are very marginal mentions in OSScube press releases, and the other five are also just press releases. On the web there are no relaible sources that I could see in the first two pages on Google. Fails WP:NN. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Author's Note: Why the page should not be deleted

OSScamps are a series of unconferences that have been organized since March 2007 across India. In the 12 unconferences that have been organized many developers, students and open source enthusiasts have participated and numerous open source tools, technologies, and projects were discussed. OSScamps is perhaps the only open source community in India (at least) that has non-developer participants (doctors, lawyers, journalists, etc) as well. It has been a decent (my subjective opinion) platform for discussion and propagation of open source in India. All of this demographic information is available. Will these numbers help in evaluating if OSScamp is something that is relevant to a large number of people and hence worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia?

The content that exists about the community and the event over the interweb is one of the following (is any of these not acceptable?):
- Press Releases and Sponsorship announcements by the various sponsors (some of the major IT companies)
- Event Announcements and Updates by media partners
- Event coverage (always written by one of the organizers)
- Talk/Session/Presentation details either provided by the speaker or a participant
- Blog posts about the community/event by various participants (1281 results according to Google Blog Search).
- Participant-contributed pictures (as found on Picasa (342 items), Flickr (536 items)) and videos (on YouTube (64 items) and Vimeo (26 items))
- Event details listed on many event calendars - corporate, media, not for profit, community.

The community is found to be lacking in notability primarily because there is a lack of third-party independent reference. This is primarily because the community is ad-hoc to the extreme. There is no organizing body, no legal entity, no group of promoters. Media agencies have no one to contact too. Perhaps the participants took the unconference idea too seriously. But, OSScamps is a decentralized community where everyone is an equal member. There is no notability since there are no specific mentions of the community in general media. However, there is a huge amount of content and reference from the participants and community.

If I look at references for the community/event - there are references to the events by organisations already listed on Wikipedia either as sponsors or participants. OSScamp was also referred on FOSS.IN and Unconference. The old link on these pages pointed to the OSScamp Website, which I modified to the OSScamp page after adding the page.

When I created the page, I read the policies on Notability and on Conflict of Interest as well. I wrote a page that was neutral and provided as much relevant information as possible to the best of my understanding of the policies. I am of the opinion that OSScamp is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. If the page is not completely compliant to Wikipedia policies, it would make much sense for sections that are non-verifiable or disputable be removed from the page, instead of the whole page being deleted.

Kinshuk Sunil (talk) 11:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Note This "neutral" article by Kinshuk Sunil has the following sentence: "Kinshuk Sunil is one of the most active volunteers of the community, who plays an active role in the organisation of every camp." It says above here that "the community is ad-hoc to the extreme. There is no organizing body, no legal entity, no group of promoters." but all seven of the "news sources" found above have contact information and/or email addresses from the corporation OSScube, and four of the seven mention Kinshuk in some way. Please see WP:COI Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the page history and saw that the specific text was added by Yadu Rajiv and the complete text included a reference to him as well. Before adding my note on this page, I re-edited the document and removed all disputable text including this claim of popularity. I have also added some new references, which might be more notable than the current ones. The page in the introduction to the camps section says that Vineet and Sonali spearheaded the community. They also started the company OSSCube, which is also mentioned in the Page. I work for OSSCube as well, taking care of their community initiatives. Please do not misunderstand this relationship as a vested interest by the company in the community, since I am equally involved with other communities in the country as well. I am only apalled that other companies dont show up in the news results. I am now reading the WP:COI and will make changes accordingly. Kinshuk Sunil (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JohnCD (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Delete but don't block. It is possible that if the movement continues that it will acquire appropriate secondary sources. Although Kinshuk Sunil added a citation to an academic article, unfortunately that article does not mention OSScamp or unconferences. A copy of the article was at http://www.aldwychassociates.com/gis/conferences/files/19/pdf/44_505.pdf, but has been removed. An html copy was still here as of 18:40 (UCT), 30 January 2010. --Bejnar (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- Pcap ping 08:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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