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Oldest Doctor Who Cast Members

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An indiscriminate list (can be considered listcruft) of some of the oldest actors in the Doctor Who series by age. There is no clear relevance between the TV show and age unlike sports and age would have, so this is very trivial. Waddles 🗩 🖉 18:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Television, and Entertainment. Waddles 🗩 🖉 18:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps. But, why is it problematic? Spectritus (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spectritus: My nomination states the article's problems. Waddles 🗩 🖉 18:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would it be deleted just for lacking sources? In this case, articles are usually just left with a "More sources needed" notice, nothing more. Spectritus (talk) 18:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, for the ages of those actors, you can just check their Wikipedia/IMDb pages. Spectritus (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:IMDB is not a reliable source, and notability guidelines for lists and general topics indeed require sourcing. If you have reliable sources that discuss this subject (not individual entries on the list) by all means offer them. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page may not be relevant enough to stay. But, the English Wikipedia doesn't consider many websites as "reliable", so it's difficult. And if I may add, I understand it needs to be strict, but the English Wikipedia is way too strict compared to other Wikipedia languages. And it should be understood that if a topic isn't covered by the biggest websites, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Spectritus (talk) 19:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not nominate it for its lack of sources, despite that being an issue (albeit a fixable one). I nominated it because it is an indiscriminate list of some of the oldest actors in the Doctor Who series by age and that there is no clear relevance between the TV show and age. Wikipedia is not a collection of trivia, and articles that are very specific but with little relevance when connected such as "List of film actors by favorite color" or "List of celebrities with brown hair" should not be published to Wikipedia. Waddles 🗩 🖉 18:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "relevance between the TV show and age" is that it's a show that has been ongoing for a very long time and so, some cast members have lived to a very old age. Spectritus (talk) 19:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Who being an old show doesn't make assessing the show's oldest in age actors any less trivial because it's still a collection of facts that aren't directly associated with the topic of the show, making it listcruft. A list of actors of the show along, or its episodes or franchised media, would be counter-examples to listcruft. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It's a mess of WP:OR. There is no evidence that reliable sources discuss the age of Doctor Who cast members as a subject, so it's a hard WP:GNG/WP:NLIST failure. (I suspect this is a personal research project created after the recent death of Arnold Yarrow, who was reported in the news as the oldest Doctor Who cast member, but that does not mean the entire topic of the age of Doctor Who cast members is notable. And what possible encyclopedic value would this article have beyond trivia, which is one of the many things Wikipedia is WP:NOT?) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then, why are there pages for Oldest railroads in North America, Oldest McDonalds restaurant, Oldest Russian derby, Oldest football clubs, Oldest hominids, etc ? Spectritus (talk) 18:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Spectritus: Those articles are not comparable to the the nom'd one. The oldest railroads in North America are relevant to the history of railroads on the continent, the oldest McDonald's restaurant is a registered historic place with a designation from the National Park Service, the Oldest Russian derby documents a historic sports event. These are not list articles of something very trivial like the 'Oldest Doctor Who cast members', which is not relevant to the history of the TV program but rather a collection of actors on the show by age. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS named above are not relevant to this article. Listing the ages of actors in a particular series is arbitrary and unsupported by sources establishing notability. There are a million TV shows and movie series out there, and the actors' ages and lifespans are not significant enough or even relevant to the production of the show itself to warrant articles, it's just trivia. Reywas92^Talk 21:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: List clearly has no real relevance. Unless the age of the actors is truly relevant to the TV show, then there is no reason why this list should exist.

Noah ^💬 23:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]