Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Onusemu Neemia

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The result was delete. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 21:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Onusemu Neemia

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PROD contested by article creator. This player fails WP:GNG as well as WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

he has played international game for Tuvalu national futsal team. He satisfies to WP:NFOOTBALL. --Klant01 (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, GNG outweighs NFOOTBALL. Secondly, NFOOTBALL doesn't mention futsal, and his association football career is not enough to satisfy. Giant Snowman 12:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Where does it say GNG outweighs NFootball? WP:NFOOTBALL actually seems to take precedent as Wikipedia:Notability (sports) of which NFootball is but a part says that if notability cannot be confirmed following the guidlelines set out there that editors should then look to establish notability via WP:GNG. It is quite specific about this in the second paragraph, so I do not think your initial point is valid. Secondly, Nfootball does not exclude futsal, it merely mentions Players, managers and referees who have represented their country in any officially sanctioned senior international competition (including the Olympics) are notable as they have achieved the status of participating at the highest level of football. The article clearly references the fact that the player played in a continental tournament. This tournament was a qualifier for the futsal world cup and so must be fifa sanctioned. Therefore the player fulfills WP:Nfootball. Fenix down (talk) 18:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, it quite clearly says that "standalone articles are required to meet the General Notability Guideline." Secondly, football and futsal are not the same sports. Thirdly, if he appeared in a FIFA-sactioned match, he would appear on the FIFA website (a comprehensive database of all players from the past 100+ years to appear in FIFA matches) but he doesn't. Giant Snowman 16:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Change view to delete. Having looked at the sources more closely, they only appear to reference games where the player was a sub. There is no evidence that this player has actually played.
Note to Giant Snowman: Whilst I do now think that the article should be deleted on the grounds that there is no evidence in the sources that the player has been anything other than an unused sub, the original editor has created a large number of articles on Tuvaluan footballers and I think a couple of points need to be made to avoid potential issues in the future:

The problem with your comment however is that it quite clearly does not say what you quoted. In actual fact Wikipedia:Notability (sports) says, This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) will meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia. As such if the criteria in WP:NFOOTBALL can be fulfilled, then GNG can almost certainly be deemed to be fulfilled. If you are getting your quote from somewhere else, please show from where. At the moment, your argument initially looks quite weak, you allude to Wikipedia:Notability (sports) (I presume) and then misquote. I will assume at the moment that you are either quoting another guideline (though I am not sure which one would trump GNG or Notability (Sports)), or have made an honest mistake, though you must see how this could be interpreted as a bad faith comment as it appears.
Secondly, football and futsal are different in the same way that rugby and rugby sevens are different. There are not separate wikiprojects or notability guidelines for different types of rugby and neither are there with football and futsal, see WP:NRU. I'm not saying there shouldn't be but as there aren't the 11-a-side guidelines are all we have and are what should be used. Fenix down (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- I'll be brief - I am quoting directly from Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Applicable policies and guidelines when I say GNG is required; and futsal is not covered by WP:NFOOTBALL. Where does it mention it? Nowhere. Giant Snowman 12:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Fenix down.. Nfitz (talk) 15:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC) Not enough information to comment. Nfitz (talk) 19:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as a footballer he hasn't played in a fully professional league or represented his country at senior level, which means that he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. As a futsal-player, he hasn't participated in "a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics", which means that he fails WP:NSPORTS. Also fails WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep You can here see that he play a game for Tuvalu, at the beginning. http://futsal4all.com/2008/06/ofc-day-5-new-caledonia-score-first-win-of-tournament/ He also played in the other games, at Futsal are frequently changed. --Klant01 (talk) 17:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thats not true Mentoz86! He was with Tuvalu in 2007 present at the Pacific Games. He played then no game, but was at the tournament present. --Klant01 (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Again, being a futsal player is not notable - and WP:NFOOTBALL clearly says that you have to actually play! Giant Snowman 17:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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