Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Owl City concert tours
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The result was nomination withdrawn. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't see how any of these tours are independently notable, or how the compilation of them is notable. And of course, they are nothing but a list of shows, which falls foul of WP:NOTDIR. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- PanydThe muffin is not subtle 01:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I see no reason to delete here. A list of live performances is no less encyclopedic than a discography. WP:NOTDIR has no relevance here.--Michig (talk) 06:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Michig, you know I value your opinion and your experience. In my opinion, however, there is quite a difference: a discography consists of elements that are typically independently notable (even if only by virtue of being released by a notable artist), and that does not apply to concerts. There are a few sources I found that actually say something about these tours--[1] and [2], and the latter contains a list of dates, but those are planned dates, drawn up beforehand and no doubt copied from Ticketmaster. It may well be that the subject, the actual tour, can be argued to be notable, but does that extend to the content, which is nothing but a list? And does this not suggest that every date played by every single notable band can be included? Group discussion! ;) Drmies (talk) 16:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As long as the artist is notable and the information is verifiable (which is difficult for many artists), I don't see a problem personally. I know some people will see this as too much detail for an encyclopedia, but we have similar articles/lists for other artists here, and similar lists have previously been kept at AFD. Owl City is probably a big enough act that many of these performances will have generated reviews/previews, e.g. [3], [4], [5].--Michig (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You know what, I'm going to accept this and withdraw the nomination. I am probably one of those "some people" you refer to, but such a discussion should be held in a different forum. Any passing admin, please close this--or maybe someone would like to practice NAC? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As long as the artist is notable and the information is verifiable (which is difficult for many artists), I don't see a problem personally. I know some people will see this as too much detail for an encyclopedia, but we have similar articles/lists for other artists here, and similar lists have previously been kept at AFD. Owl City is probably a big enough act that many of these performances will have generated reviews/previews, e.g. [3], [4], [5].--Michig (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Michig, you know I value your opinion and your experience. In my opinion, however, there is quite a difference: a discography consists of elements that are typically independently notable (even if only by virtue of being released by a notable artist), and that does not apply to concerts. There are a few sources I found that actually say something about these tours--[1] and [2], and the latter contains a list of dates, but those are planned dates, drawn up beforehand and no doubt copied from Ticketmaster. It may well be that the subject, the actual tour, can be argued to be notable, but does that extend to the content, which is nothing but a list? And does this not suggest that every date played by every single notable band can be included? Group discussion! ;) Drmies (talk) 16:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.