Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Painface (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The discussion re-enforced that there are adequate sources to discuss the band, and show it likely meets our notability guideline. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 17:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Painface

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Seems like an unremarkable band, as no importance or significance is asserted. Further, no reliable sources are given, and none are found. Reviews and interviews are non-existing. Looks like it qualifies for WP:A7 but it's been around a while so I'm going with AfD. — Timneu22 · talk 17:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong/Speedy keep Timneu22, please read the criteria of notability for bands in WP:BAND, specifically #6 : "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians". Here, the two independently notable musicians are Paul Gray (American musician) and Shawn Crahan. A withdrawal would be appropriate ... :) Maashatra11 (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't care. This band is not notable. Further, it is still unsourced, despite the comment below. — Timneu22 · talk 00:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmmm... See WP:IDONTCARE. Maybe you didn't notice, but I added multiple reliable sources. I can dig for more sources and try to add inline citations, but it is not utterly necessary. Maashatra11 (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have now added reliable sources. Maashatra11 (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The sources added are trivial. Notability isn't inherited just because it has members of an otherwise notable band. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 00:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Slipknot, where they all went. lacks coverage independent of Slipknot. Already mentioned in that article. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep by virtue of meeting WP:BAND #6, with any potential merge discussions saved for relevant talk pages. Umbralcorax (talk) 01:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Previous AfDs for the article suggested that this might be ripe for a "merge" but certainly not a "delete". Painface gets mentioned in books about Slipknot, and in Paul Gray's obituaries. It would be helpful if Maashatra11 could add some inline citations, which might make it clearer that the book mentions are not just in passing and therefore this subject merits a separate article. Otherwise a merge discussion might conclude with a "redirect" to Slipknot. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paul Erik, I'll try to add inline citations but it's not me who wrote the article's text so it's a tricky task. Maybe I'll also contact the article's author and ask him where he got all this information from. What I was trying to do when I added references was to argue against the nom's argument that this band isn't found in reliable sources. :) Maashatra11 (talk) 07:25, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I checked the page's history, and found that an active contributor (User:Andre666) is the main author of the article (see this diff). I contacted him about the sources of this article, so let's wait and see what he responds. Maashatra11 (talk) 07:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andre responded and he says he doesn't remember. Well, I guess a merge may be in order if there is concensus for it. Maashatra11 (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Maas. And nom's response to Maas is notably unconvincing.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:BAND #6. The issue of verifiability has been addressed too, as the ELs at the bottom of the article tell us that all the notable people were definitely in the band. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.