Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pankaj Choudhary (professor) (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Consensus is sourcing is insufficient. Star Mississippi 20:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pankaj Choudhary (professor)

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Previous AfD resulted in soft delete, and it was reconstituted. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and India. DreamRimmer (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or possibly redirect to Let's Do It! India. I see no sign whatsoever of WP:NPROF, and I did not find reviews for WP:NAUTHOR. (The name is shared by some other people, however, which did make searches harder.) There is some human interest type coverage about a litter cleanup campaign from September 2020 by Let's Do It! India, but I don't think it amounts to WP:SIGCOV of the subject here. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

~~Sources~~

1.WorldCat, Choudhary on WorldCat Entities Archived from the original

2. Library of Congress, Pankaj Choudhary's publications on Library of Congress that mentioned its affiliation, association, and source that satisfy WP:NPROF

3. Hindustan Times, Campaign launched to manage litter caused by cigarette butts]: a campaign launched by Choudhary on World Cleanup Day.

4. Caspian Week 2020 Program: Choudhary was invited speaker and spoke on 'Energy transition in the Greater Caspian Region: development and emissions' and 'SDG in the health and wellness industry' in a prestigious Caspian Week World conference in Geneva, Switzerland.

5. The World Cleanup Day, World Cleanup Day India: World Cleanup Day organisation independently covered Choudhary's work

6. भाजपा राष्ट्रीय अध्यक्ष श्री @JPNadda जी की सहमति से भाजपा ओबीसी मोर्चा में प्रो0 पंकज चौधरी को राष्ट्रीय रिसर्च एवं पॉलिसी का प्रभारी बनाया गया है। BJP's official Twitter handle anounced Choudhary as a president of OBC Morcha.

8. World Clean Up Day 2022: जश्न मनाने छात्र और युवा आए एक साथ, प्रोफेसर पंकज चौधरी ने की Lets Do It India की स्थापना

7. Professor Pankaj Choudhary on his book ‘A Story of India’s Missing Women’: Pankaj Choudhary's book review "Female foeticide: A Story of India's Missing Women" by Aman Gaur from PinkCity post. Passes WP:BASIC.

~~8.Businessworld, Prof. Pankaj Choudhary Awarded With SEEP At The International Clean World Academy In Tallin: a news from reliable website independently covered about Pankaj Choudhary. Passes WP:GNG.~~ Rath Butcher (talk) 13:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WorldCat and LOC listings merely indicate that someone has published something. That's not enough for WP:PROF, not by a long shot. The World Cleanup Day website is just a blurb from Let's Do It! India talking about themselves (We have a strong presence in 24 Indian states, etc.). XOR'easter (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Let's Do It! India per Russ Woodroofe. Routine publicity, press-release-level "reporting", and general fluff of that nature is not the basis for an article. XOR'easter (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject is connected and elected to a post of the Party which is ruling Central Govt of India for last 9 years and looking into news articles i can say, He is the founder of the Let's Do It! India and also awarded by Alar Karis. He is also an Associate Professor in Delhi University, which is really a notable thing. He has been a Speaker at the World Economic Forum. He is notable as an Environment Activist. The subject passes WP:GNG and WP:BASIC as an environmentalist. He is working and worked as a researcher at many places as mentioned in the article. Yasal Shahid (talk) 05:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's very, very rare for associate professors at any university to be notable by virtue of their academic achievements. Minor party officials generally aren't notable either, regardless of their party. XOR'easter (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability not found for WP:Prof or WP:GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC).[reply]

~~Yes, He does not pass WP:NPROF, but As an environmentalist the subject is meeting WP:PEOPLE.~~ Rath Butcher (talk) 12:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:NPROF, WP:ANYBIO. Thanks Onel for renominating it. US-Verified (talk) 16:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Being an environmentalist, received notable award for his work, the subject meets WP:NPEOPLE.~~ Rath Butcher (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - He has good WP:SIGCOV.He was selected for Professional Fellows Program of United States Department of State See[1] and Awardes With SEEP At The International Clean World Academy In Tallin[2].His book 'Female Foeticide' was recently recognised by Princeton University and display at it library, demonstrating its importance and global relevance.[3][4][5].He is also the founder of Let's Do It! India making global impacts [6]Epcc12345 (talk) 06:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article: Good quality content generation is always a difficult task especially there are numerous unsung heroes get no prominence due to lack of secondary sources or difficult to find such credible sources. Here, as we can see, this page related to the person seems to good acedemic reputation and is a budding environmentalist cum lawyer. His work got recognised at several places of high reputation like Princeton University and also by the Government of Estonia. He is also a founder of Environmental organization which is doing decent work.

I think we need to protect this page so that other youths get inspired from him and do some good for the environment. However, I would suggest to enrich the content with better language, its linkages for the public good. Ashishsuman14 (talk) 12:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of which makes them wiki-notable. Wiki isn't to promote up-and-coming people, we need reliable sources discussing them at length. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The subject has significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. This subject seems to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)guideline, and has a good WP:SIGCOV. His book named 'Female Foeticide: The story of India’s missing women ' was recognized by Princeton University and displayed at its library showcasing the relevance of the book, is a notable event. Here are some referenes [7][8][9]..He is the founder of Let's Do It! [10]. Also was selected for Professional Fellow Program of United States Department of State. See here.[11]Kinkordada (talk) 05:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or possibly redirect. None of the accomplishments listed above are criteria for notability, and he does not appear to meet NPROF or GNG through any other means. JoelleJay (talk) 19:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet the requirements laid out in WP:NPROF. Did WP:BEFORE including a Google search and couldn't find anything major about him. Articles about him in some news outlets don't have an author or come from questionable sources. Was admitted to the Professional Fellows Program but that's not a major award, it's a program out of the US State Department. Let's check the criteria from NPROF and see if they pass.

The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.: Not that can be determined
The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.: Only has a minor award given at a conference in Estonia.
The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).: Claims to be a "directed studies fellow", I googled this title and he is the only person who comes up. So it's either the most selective honor ever given or it's not important.
The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.: Was unable to find any of his published work in academic journals.
The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.: Not a named chair
The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.: Not an admin of a major academic institution or society.
The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.: Can't find anything
The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.: Not a chief editor of any journal.

Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 06:42, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Dr vulpes. Clearly fails WP:NPROF per their explaination. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 11:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NPROF --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 08:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The subject seems to meet the Notability in the English Wikipedia. There are references backing up the content on this page, this is to say that content are verifiable according to Wikipedia:Verifiability. Although I think this project can be elaborated and restructured by anyone from the Wikipedia community in order to improve the quality of the page. Thanks Onosco23 (talk) 09:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The content of the subject has great notability and Citations. The content is acceptable from Wikipedia Rules. Santhan Akkulu — Preceding undated comment added 10:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments to closing admin. We have a good number of established editors (including myself) making policy-based arguments for deletion or redirection. We have Epcc12345 making a policy-based argument for keep. We have a large number of keep !votes coming from accounts that leave me with concerns about possible WP:CANVASing: one such paraphrases the rationale of Epcc12345 very closely, others seem to confuse WP:V with WP:GNG. These accounts generally have around 50 edits, and I don't feel comfortable tagging as WP:SPAs, so I am leaving this comment instead. Please also see the discussion's talk page for an additional intended keep !vote. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I discovered a few news sources that may pass WP:SIGCOV to justify its GNG criteria. 1 from Rajasthan Patrika, 2 from Republic TV, 3 from Zee News. That's all your honour. 122.177.105.251 (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Republic TV has been deprecated and is considered an unreliable source. Patrika is routine coverage of an awareness campaign and focuses more on his organization, 'Let's Do It India,' than on him. Zee News's article is a "Conversation", thus it as a primary source. The byline of the article is unclear, as it states "Zee Media Bureau", suggesting that it may be a paid article or press release-type piece. US-Verified (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more relist for consideration of the additional sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 03:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - With the sources provided Above, he qualifies for WP:Basic and strongly notable.103.47.134.15 (talk) 18:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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