Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Port Moresby International High School

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) czar · · 17:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Port Moresby International High School

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Delete, non sourced school, does not explain notability and the only thing claimed that is that it exists. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Secondary school. Certainly exists. We invariably keep articles on secondary schools for reason endlessly regurgitated on AfDs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Papua New Guinea-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Secondary school, per longstanding precedent. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It also falls under WP:ORGSIG which expressly states " No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is" This is even noted on WP:SCHOOL by way of a link to the notability guidelines. As such I will continue to bring these to AFD. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then you will continue to waste our time and yours. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Technically could be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#A7 but due the exception was made this does not apply. However the article STILL has to meet WP:ORG and WP:GNG which this one clearly does not! PantherLeapord (talk) 03:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a stub, but as a well established mainstream independent school, proven to exist, and providing education to grade 12 and internationally recognised exams, it clearly meets with the long standing precedent to keep such schools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the locality article - per WP:WPSCH/AG. PantherLeapord (talk) 05:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And which part of the school article guidelines would you be referring to? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to actually read the article he's given, it's right at the top, it states "Non-notable school articles are generally redirected to the locality article or, for US schools, the school district article if available." That sounds way more condescending then it's meant but it illustrates the notability fact either way. For a school to e notable it has to pass WP:ORG guidelines and show some sort of notability. I think the problem here is that you are trying to use that school articles are usually kept to let's keep all school articles. The fact remaining ua that not all secondary schools deserve or merit articles. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have I got news for you: I wrote a large part of it. You might also like to read the 1,000s of Wikipedia school articles too, especially the one that is the subject of this AfD. And perhaps also this. Please remember that if you want to change Wikipedia practice, AfD is not the place to do it.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SO you wrote a large part of it yet you had to ask...interesting. And why have a request for comment when it is implicitly covered under WP:ORG and the WP:GNG? I'm happy to keep wasting the time of anyone who wants to make blanket notability statements. It's contrary to WP:GNG and therefore I am only asking it to be followed. You are more then welcome to try and get the blanket exemption you seem to want through a RFC but I firmly believe that policy thus far is in my favor. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notability for schools has a good jump start with the fact that they are exempt from deletion under WP:A7 - and that is a policy. The 'blanket exemption' you are probably referring to has been the subject of many discussions and RfC, and not one of them resulted in a change to the current accepted procedures. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. This school is over 50 years old and has played a major role in the expatriate community of Papua New Guinea over that time as well as educating some prominent Papua New Guineans. I spent several years in Port Moresby and I recall many mentions of this school in the local press. I do not have time to chase them up, but I suggest that others look for them before assuming that this school can not meet the notability guidelines. If the school was in the US, UK or Australia, the article would be much more detailed with list of notable former pupils and so on. We do not have many editors in PNG so that country does not get the attention that more developed countries get. We need to avoid that bias. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed we are occasionally sympathetic towards eligible articles concerning subjects in countries where media is not as well developed as in Western countries. That said however, according to the well established precedent already mentioned, this school clearly meets requirements. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Bduke and Kudpung - secondary schools are inherently notable if they can be proved to exist, which nom states to be true. (Maybe there should be a WP:WASTEOFTIME...) Ansh666 02:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per precedent on English Wikipedia regarding secondary schools: WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, Wikipedia:Notability (high schools). Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:51, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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