Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajiv Jain

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rajiv Jain

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The article has no reliable sources, independent of the subject - see my listing on the talk page. I can't find other good sources, though it is hard to be sure since this is quite a common name. John of Reading (talk) 06:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This looks like an advert for his services, not an article about him as a genuinely notable person. Fails on all counts. Agree with nom. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:Notability (people). Having an IMDb profile doesn't equal notability. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rajiv Jain

Greetings,

I am a frequent user of Wikipedia since 1st December 2009 when I need to research on people, practices, places and things. I would like to start by sharing my deep appreciation for the great work that others like you and yourself are doing to maintain the quality and accuracy of articles on Wikipedia.

While I appreciate the continuous necessity to review the contents on your pages, I was unpleasantly surprised to see Mr. Rajiv Jain (cinematographer) nominated for deletion from your esteemed pages.

I request you to kindly peruse through what I have enumerated below and then make an informed decision on the way forward on this page and his presence there.

Towards this attempt, I would like to share with you a few reasons why I believe that Mr. Rajiv Jain’s candidature befits his presence on Wikipedia.

1. Below mentioned are a few sources that will point out his contributions to Indian cinema

a. http ://www.gomolo.com/about-rajiv-jain/16993

b. http://www.ranker.com/list/movies-with-cinematography-by-rajiv-jain/reference

c. http:// www.gomolo.com/about-rajiv-jain/16993

d. http://movie-stars.us/filmography/rajiv%20jain.aspx

e. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1203010/

2. I have edited this page and have removed links to his website, interviews, articles or blog (which some have commented to have been created personally by himself)

3. IMDB (internet Movie Database) is a credible site which enumerates the work of notable contributors and related cinema releases. I request you to kindly credit them with the professional respect and consideration that one would give to honourable peers. While IMDB may not equate to notability or nomination to a celebrity club, it can undoubtedly be considered as the most reliable data base on films and key contributors to the industry

4. As a regular user of Wikipedia, I can assure you of the presence of many other names that would earn lower eligibility to be on the coveted Wikipedia pages. These less than worthy nominations are present from all industries viz; politics, international relations, the corporate world, Bollywood and more importantly, Indian cinematographers. I would of course refrain from being rude enough to mention their names or nominate them for deletion. In the event you do proceed with your decision to do away with Mr. Jain’s presence on your pages, I would certainly ask you to peruse through the following link and proceed with appropriate due diligence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_cinematographers

5. I request you to kindly Google about him using ‘RAJEEV JAIN CINEMATOGRAPHER’ as keywords for your search. I assure you that you will be able to read a lot of information about him in the form of write ups, interviews, videos on You tube, his working stills etcetera

6. Mr. Jain has worked with notablable film Producers / Directors like like Aziz Mirza, Chandrakant Kulkarni, Ketan Mehta, Makrand Deshpande, Late Mukul S. Anand, Nitin Chandrakant Desai, Rajiv Rai, Satish Kaushik, Shyam Benegal, Subhash Ghai and Wanuri Kahiu, who are themselves present on Wikipedia.

7. While I have edited his page to only include professional essentials, I would like to point out that the contents on his page were not very different from the content on the Wikipedia pages of other cinematographers

a. I do not think it will be criminal to mention his wife and daughters’ names on his page as a person’s success at work is fuelled by the support, faith and love of his family. Besides, many other cinematographers have their spousal and children’s details mentioned on their pages.

i. His daughter Abigail Jain is a popular Indian television actor who has a Wikipedia page to herself.

ii. His daughter Kimberly also had a Wikipedia page, which has now been discontinued as she has taken a brief brake to complete her high school education

8. While I appreciate the spirit behind the freedom available to anyone to nominate personalities / articles for deletion from Wikipedia, I would like to share a recommendation that you also put in place a method to control nominations that are made with mala fide intent (of which I am certain is this case) I realise that my notes and comments are lengthy and therefore appreciate your time and patience to read through it. I look forward to an informed decision on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maniksh (talk • contribs) 19:36, 28 April 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

Since you also posted this on my talk page, I'll respond here. The references you list, IMDb and other filmography database entries don't establish notability. Notability is not inherited by being related to notable people or working alongside notable people. I'm not seeing non-trivial reliable source coverage for Rajiv Jain. The best hope for notability appears to be WP:CREATIVE. What reliable sources have commented on this award-winning filmmaker's work? • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This comment "...nominations that are made with mala fide intent (of which I am certain is this case" is an ad hominem attack and must be retracted and, ideally, apologised for. To me such things invalidate any other argument put forward. The attack has also been distributed on every talk page the editor could find that was remotely connected with this deletion discussion. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, including my talk page. I didn't know you guys received the same message. I honestly think this should just be discounted as it isn't a policy-based argument. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As per the request for atleast two reliable sources of write ups / interviews, I have provided details of a few pertaining to Rajiv Jain, the cinematographer. I request you to kindly consider / refer / peruse through them during your decision making process.

While surfing for articles on him, I have also realised that there are numerous articles / interviews on him, some of which refer to him as ‘Rajeev Jain’. While I realise the time constraint that you and other decision makers continuously face, I would like to request you to kindly type ‘Rajiv Jain cinematographer’ as key words to find interviews on cameras and in magazines and articles about him and his work. While perusing through his old Wikipedia page, I did not think any part of it appeared as an advertisement although it must be said that a lot of his interns who have worked with him have written extempore about him and provided links to his works / interviews. I have of course edited those pieces as I had shared with you in my last note. I also thought that those write ups etc were very informative on cinmatographic content such lighting, camera work etcetra and believe that this is extremely useful, informative content that could educate and update people with interest in this area of work. The details of reliable sources of information on him are as follows 1. * Title: Cine Blitz, Volume 25, Issue 1 • Bibliographic information and Product Details: o Binding: Trade Paper o Category: Books o Country of origin: USA o Digitized: 24 Jul 2008 o Edition: 1999 o Format: Paperback, softback o International Standard Book Number: A100007818 o Language: English o Length: 56 pages o List price: $21.16 o Original from: The University of Virginia o Publication Date: 2010-09-15 o Publisher: Blitz Publications and VJM Media Pvt. Ltd. o Size: Magazine A4 size, perfect bound o Weight: 0.21 lb • Please click on this Link: http://books.google.co.in/books?id=7yAqAAAAYAAJ&q=rajiv+jain+cinematographer&dq=rajiv+jain+cinematographer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wox-UfaPM8TQrQeTmYHABA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw

2. * [http://books.google.co.in/books?id=3onHbwAACAAJ&dq=%22Rajiv+Jain%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rad-UaHeLYSsrAf4voCgDA&redir_esc=y

Title: Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts Alumni: Rajpal Yadav, B. M. Shah, Rajiv Jain, Amritlal Nagar]

• Bibliographic information and Product Details: o Binding: Trade Paper o Category: Books o Country of origin: USA o Edition: 2010 o Format: Paperback, softback o International Standard Book Number: 9781158509461 o Language: English o Length : 24 pages o List price: $14.14 o Publication Date: 2010-09-15 o Publisher: General Books LLC o Size: 6.00" wide x 9.00" long x 0.06" tall o Weight: 0.11 lbs. • Please click on this Link: http://books.google.co.in/books?id=3onHbwAACAAJ&dq=%22Rajiv+Jain%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rad-UaHeLYSsrAf4voCgDA&redir_esc=y

3. * Cinematography by Rajeev Jain (Video E-Magazine Interview) • Please clink on this link http://animationsupplement.com/index.php/interviews/14-cinematography-by-rajeev-jain

I realise that going through the details of the aforementioned three bullets could be very time consuming and I will be happy to provide a synopsis of the contents in each of the above mentioned. It may require some time for me to synopsise, but I would be happy to do so if you so require. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maniksh (talk • contribs) 08:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Maniksh: Three things. One: Please stop pasting screeds of stuff no-one os going to read here. Two: improve the article. No-one cares about anything except the article. Three: please sign your comments here. If Sinebot signs them for you ether replace that with your own signature, or leave it alone. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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