Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regnum Online (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 08:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regnum Online

Online game, only references seem to be the game's websites, a Spanish Wikipedia article (!) and some forum postings. Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 23:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Here is a reliable source (IGN) with a thorough interview of the game: IGN Regnum Interview, Part 1. Also, MMORPG.com which is a known stop for MMORPG's has this game listed and updated, with several discussions about the game. Also, a quick Google search shows that this game didn't appear out of nowhere but has been around for quite some time. Granted, is not WOW or any of the big games but it still a game that has gained some reputation and it has shown a lot of potential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.130.61 (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep there are sources, but not listed. The lack of sources doesnt mean that there arent any. So, please google before nomitating. Possible sources could be for example MMOSITE or GamersHell --Drhlajos (talk) 13:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please add reliable sources to the article. You seem to have listed two game fan-sites above, one of which is simply a reproduction of a press release from Regnum Online. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 16:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This doesn't mean, that they are not reliable, simply they are too lazy to write one, I think. --Drhlajos (talk) 09:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also got sum reviews, check, if they are reliable. [1], [2]. Well, personally, I think, if some artice got a "not notable! kill it with fire", thats the end if the page usually. But, I think, the notablity shoul NOT based on the reviews of professionals. The tons of fansites, blogs, and user reviews means that the game is played widely. For example: you can also VFD Supertux. For the same reason. Perhaps I should suggest changes in the notablity page? --Drhlajos (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also see last nomination. If keeped then, then what is the point now?--Drhlajos (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep the game is really well known inside the latin community and inside the linux community (maybe because it's one of the only MMORPG in 3D working well on Linux). The article may need a lot of work, but I'm against any deletion. PierreSelim (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per the general notability guideline. This article has a few references, but many are self-published and cannot assert notability. Notability requires reliable sources as defined by guidelines. These sources must also be secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The keep votes do not appear to understand the guideline, although I assume in good faith that they just didn't know this guideline existed. Randomran (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is HappyPenguin a reliable source with permanant URL for you ? I mean it's not hard to find articles about this game in the Linux community. The game has also a page on the French Wikipedia, maybe this isn't good enought ? --PierreSelim (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Penguin is a site with a nice big "Submit a game" button on it. Obviously not a reliable source. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 21:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It might help you to review the policy on reliable sources. It's not really about what I think. Randomran (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Looks like there's just enough out there to demonstrate notability. There's the IGN interview and User:Herostratus identified some media coverage in the previous AfD, though those sources don't appear to be available online anymore.--Kubigula (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As notable as World of Warcraft, seems to be a comprehensive article, especially considering some of the other stuff on wikipedia. Will Thompson (talk) 05:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tony Fox (arf!) 05:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.