Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RevealThePicture (game)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of puzzle video games. MBisanz talk 01:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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How can this be notable? How? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unsourced, non-notable genre. No mention of this term in Google search. —Ost (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Feel free to correct the name/title. I'm not sure what the proper/correct name is. Hmm, lots of hits on Google!--NakiBest
(talk) 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This is one of the older genres of computer games popular due to their simplicity and because raster graphics were still a novelty at the time. I can remember one on the Commodore 64 that would reveal a nude picture of Samantha Fox (schwing!!). That said, the bulk of them are probably freeware/noname/unlicensed titles. There are also variants where you assemble a set of mixed-up puzzle pieces to reveal the picture. My guess is that this variant pre-dates electronic computers as well. SharkD (talk) 03:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Plea: Samantha Fox? Please please please upload to Commons... Drmies (talk) 02:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's a book that describes how to create such a game using photographs and paper. There's a description of two video games of this type here. Here's a description on how to create such games using Flash. SharkD (talk) 03:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Reveal the Picture (game), Merge and Redirect to Puzzle game as per WP:NOT - I have definitely seen these kinds of games before, but I question if they need their own page. It was mostly empty when I previously voted. There is clearly more information now, but is the subject notable and verifiable as a real genre? If we create a page for this, do we have to create one for every generic kind of video game? I know that there are plenty of games and minigames of this variety and that they show up in Google, but I don't see anything pointing to it as a defined genre. The page itself is already getting broad with the various kinds of games, while simultaneously choosing arbitrary examples to illustrate each type. If the page is kept, it should have a clear, concise focus on the overall genre instead of worrying about every subtype of games and it should contain some sort of history from non-video games to video games, as SharkD proposed. —Ost (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Feel free to edit so as to add some pre-video game history. Yes, there are lots of video games, but we are talking just puzzle/logic games here, whose number of variants isn't so big... "Tile removal games" is next! --NakiBest (talk) 11:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess I should point out ahead of time that I don't think Tile removal games should be created either. It looks like you greatly expanded SameGame, but I don't know why you need to create pages for its unsourced sub-genres. Instead of creating pages with lists of specific examples of games that reveal a picture, expand types of puzzle games with a brief description of this type of game. Neither SameGame nor this article have references. Are there any that sources showing that reveal the picture or tile removal are actual categories for games and define their scope? This page is a novel idea and bordeline useful if it had historical perspective, but I question an original research article that appears it will grow into an ever-expanding list of various games that may reveal a picture when the goal is completed. Among scrambled image games, this genre includes any game that clears a playing field since a variant could have the playing field as image. It also includes games where [a]t first the picture is hidden. The picture does not show up gradually, but shows completely after a certain win condition is met, which would include myriad video games that present the player with a congratulations picture after defeating a stage or the game. Without sources to demonstrate WP:NOTE or that define to meet WP:VER, the gameplay section should be merged into puzzle games after being scoped to give a description of the category and common gameplay examples. —Ost (talk) 15:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct. Maybe the "at first the picture isn't shown, and is shown after reaching goal" games should be removed... Also, I think I'm gonna add the tile removal type into the main Puzzle_game article. --NakiBest (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the article is in need of referencing, you might want to search here since you might have better luck with old magazines than with recent ones. Regardless, the page needs a lot of cleanup and needs to be converted from a series of lists to prose. If both issues aren't taken care of I will instead suggest the article be merged into List of puzzle video games. SharkD (talk) 03:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct. Maybe the "at first the picture isn't shown, and is shown after reaching goal" games should be removed... Also, I think I'm gonna add the tile removal type into the main Puzzle_game article. --NakiBest (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess I should point out ahead of time that I don't think Tile removal games should be created either. It looks like you greatly expanded SameGame, but I don't know why you need to create pages for its unsourced sub-genres. Instead of creating pages with lists of specific examples of games that reveal a picture, expand types of puzzle games with a brief description of this type of game. Neither SameGame nor this article have references. Are there any that sources showing that reveal the picture or tile removal are actual categories for games and define their scope? This page is a novel idea and bordeline useful if it had historical perspective, but I question an original research article that appears it will grow into an ever-expanding list of various games that may reveal a picture when the goal is completed. Among scrambled image games, this genre includes any game that clears a playing field since a variant could have the playing field as image. It also includes games where [a]t first the picture is hidden. The picture does not show up gradually, but shows completely after a certain win condition is met, which would include myriad video games that present the player with a congratulations picture after defeating a stage or the game. Without sources to demonstrate WP:NOTE or that define to meet WP:VER, the gameplay section should be merged into puzzle games after being scoped to give a description of the category and common gameplay examples. —Ost (talk) 15:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a need for the parentheses and capitalization? There's no article currently at Reveal the picture game. SharkD (talk) 06:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. I typed my first thought, but your page location makes more sense. —Ost (talk) 15:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Feel free to edit so as to add some pre-video game history. Yes, there are lots of video games, but we are talking just puzzle/logic games here, whose number of variants isn't so big... "Tile removal games" is next! --NakiBest (talk) 11:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that I think about it, I think I remember a "game" on Sesame Street where they'd show a picture of an animal or some other object and you had to guess what it was as they slowly re-arranged the blocks to their "true" form. Ah, memories... SharkD (talk) 07:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I saw a game on TV where they show a famous person's photo (actor, singer/etc), then gradually remove squares, and the caller/viewer of the game must guess who the person is as quickly as possible.--NakiBest (talk) 11:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That was the idea behind the game show Catch Phrase and its subsequent UK version. Of course, who would've guessed that was supposed to be a snake charmer? MuZemike 21:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I saw a game on TV where they show a famous person's photo (actor, singer/etc), then gradually remove squares, and the caller/viewer of the game must guess who the person is as quickly as possible.--NakiBest (talk) 11:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Reveal the Picture (game), Merge and Redirect to Puzzle game as per WP:NOT - I have definitely seen these kinds of games before, but I question if they need their own page. It was mostly empty when I previously voted. There is clearly more information now, but is the subject notable and verifiable as a real genre? If we create a page for this, do we have to create one for every generic kind of video game? I know that there are plenty of games and minigames of this variety and that they show up in Google, but I don't see anything pointing to it as a defined genre. The page itself is already getting broad with the various kinds of games, while simultaneously choosing arbitrary examples to illustrate each type. If the page is kept, it should have a clear, concise focus on the overall genre instead of worrying about every subtype of games and it should contain some sort of history from non-video games to video games, as SharkD proposed. —Ost (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd just like to add that I remember that the C64 game I played was a strip poker game. SharkD (talk) 03:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've been looking around further, and this article's topic overlaps with several other articles: Guessing game, Sliding puzzle and Hidden object game. It might be good to merge or refactor them (except Guessing game of course) into a new article called Picture puzzle (it currently redirects to Sliding puzzle). I'm not 100% sure though. SharkD (talk) 04:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Sure, it's a fairly common mechanic, I'm not sure it's something that ties the games together thematically (seriously, kids' games and porn), and there just isn't that much to say about other than "here's a bunch of games that give you more and more of the picture as you progress." I'd redirect it but I'm not sure there's a valid redirect target, since it's not limited to puzzle games. Nifboy (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.