Jump to content

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Davenport (actor)

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Once the multiple comments of the now-blocked sockpuppet contributor are parsed out, there is a clear consensus for deletion based on the absence of in-depth reliable sources or other indications of a following for the subject. No prejudice against someone else redirecting this title to an appropriate target. BD2412 T 06:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Davenport (actor)

[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

Robert Davenport (actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 15:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 15:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 18:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - just in response to the personal attack above. How many of your articles have I reviewed, and marked passed as reviewed? Quite a few more than I've had issues with, if you bothered to look before making a baseless accusation. Even those which have been sent to AfD by other Reviewers, before you worked to improve the articles, like Ellen McElduff. Other of your articles, I've had to request revdel on, due to copyright violations (like Gary Hershberger), and have not commented on the notability of. I simply review your articles as they come up in the queue, and when one with questionable comes along, I take appropriate action. Knowing that you will object to what should be handled through a prod, I bring them to AfD. Just today, I approved 2 of your other articles as passing review. Onel5969 TT me 19:24, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Um, it wasn't a personal attack, the personal attack was when you made weird and untrue accusations about me on another user's talk page! Nice dig about the copyvio del - showing further proof you have animosity towards me. Today you nominated 2 more articles within less than three minutes of each other, not nearly enough time to review and read all page references and external links and decide on the notability of two people, let alone perform detailed searches. I said nothing to you about those first two noms, you're the one who started contention and tried to stir up trouble by making those accusations on another user's page. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non notable performer. Nothing found to help pass ACTOR or GNG. All citations in the article have passing mentions of said individual. Donaldd23 (talk) 19:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I already voted keep above but here are my reasons based on subject of article. The article acknowledges the actor had a short-lived career, but two notable and cult roles (Twin Peaks and The Chocalate War movie, including originating a role in David Lynch's feature-length and groundbreaking pilot of Twin Peaks, which was released as a movie as well as a TV show in many parts of the world) give him enough for cult status and WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG in my opinion. There's also a lead role in a Claudia Myers short movie and a Disney movie role. I haven't yet researched stage roles. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update - Have added print sources about his roles in Twin Peaks and The Chocolate War. There's still more to be sourced. I have added some additional sources to article about film/television roles. Some are just passing mentions as name listed in credits, but also discuss the character, plot, cult status, themes. etc. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources and notability of projects and roles, not how short-lived a career was. There is clearly enough now to pass WP:GNG and should be enough for WP:NACTOR too. I may be able to dig out some old books on Twin Peaks as well, but probably not in time for this. Also found some stage credits, including these two (https://www.broadwayworld.com/people/Robert-Davenport and https://www.abouttheartists.com/artists/243993-robert-davenport) (and there's even more) but didn't add to article yet as can't verify if it's him or another actor with same name. I mainly know of him from his roles in Twin Peaks and The Chocolate War, so though a short-lived screen career still notable and with cult status based on those roles imo-- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 12:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Pilot (Twin Peaks). Currently fails WP:NACTOR with very few roles and no support for "cult status." KidAd • SPEAK 08:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think originating the role in Twin Peaks and being the first actor to portray the only character to be played by three actors, along with being in the pilot, gives him cult status. Also, there's the other notable role in The Chocolate War, so any redirect would need to go there too. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 08:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A criterion of WP:NACTOR is "[the actor] Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." Appearing in a single episode of a cult show does not necessarily correlate with the "cult following" of an individual. Something to ponder... KidAd • SPEAK 08:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reply That's true and I totally get what you're saying but that pilot has major cult status and was released in Europe as a movie. Though Bauer is probably best known for the role, Davenport originated it and his name tends to come up a lot when character is mentioned or photos of him shown in iconic headdress in pilot. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 08:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, seems not notable enough.--RZuo (talk) 21:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor Talk 20:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Does not pass WP:GNG, there are no independent, reliable, secondary sources giving this actor significant coverage. Does not pass WP:NACTOR, has only had minor roles (only in one episode of Twin Peaks), no evidence of a large fan base, or of a unique contribution. SailingInABathTub (talk) 22:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for failing NACTOR. Four credits, one of which (Twin Peaks) might be considered substantial, if you squint, aren't going to do it. The utter lack of any sources about him specifically is a killer. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:27, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I just wanted to address some specific points raised above. Role in movie "The Chocolate War" wasn't minor - it's part of main cast, so at least two substantial roles. Role in short movie was the lead. The "only in one episode of Twin Peaks" was the feature-length pilot, which was released as a movie in much of the world. There's also a Disney movie and possibly several stage roles. All of that should be enough for WP:NACTOR. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 09:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Chocolate War is a low-budget flop, according to its article, and I can't find anything supporting the claim that it is a cult film. That doesn't qualify as a "notable film" per NACTOR. Also, 20 passing mentions aren't going to do it. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was directed by a respected director and based on a cult novel and garnered mixed but mostly positive reviews and acclaim. As pointed out above, Davenport would seem to meet GNG through numerous mentions (in less detail) in several sources including reviews of works he acted in. I think he's a candidate for ANYBIO/NACTOR too, but definitely meets GNG/BASIC. As per WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closing admin. Going on a WikiBreak. I know I'm against the tide on this one, but I don't think the delete votes (while they outnumber my vote) are very strong, policy-based arguments. They have not given any solid arguments imo, beyond saying just "not notable", and the first one is based on old references. Article has since been updated with more. I've continued to work on the article. It now has 20 references (had only 4 when nominated). As per WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Also please take into account my main points - Davenport has WP:NACTOR, WP:GNG, WP:BASIC point #1, and maybe WP:ANYBIO point #2 (though need to check more print sources for latter) as well. Additional links to stage roles also found but not yet verified. I still think the article should be kept, but if not my suggestion would be to draftify at least to give time for other sources and verification of stage roles (all discussed above) to be researched and redirect article name in meantime to List_of_Twin_Peaks_characters#Johnny_Horne (the character he played in Twin Peaks). But I really do think Davenport has enough to close this as Keep/no consensus. Thank you. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)strike !vote of sock, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/FlyboyExeter. Onel5969 TT me 12:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Davenport_(actor)&oldid=1068988416"