Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Mensah

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The result was delete. Consensus seems to be that he doesn't meet the WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTY. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Mensah

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Restoration of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was that he is not prove[n] to have played in a fully professional league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Userfy/Draftify~~Moved to delete, see below Mensah has played for a Superattan team, and is signed with an Allsvenskan team. While of course this doesn't mean that he'll ever appear for that Allsvenskan team, it seems pretty likely. Thus I think it's perfectly fine to userfy this for awhile, at least until the season gets going. Maybe people from the football project will know better than me. The article creator, who just announced his retirement in response to this nomination, had also suggested that Superattan should be considered fully professional. I'm not really capable of making that assessment, but I might be willing to change to a keep if a convincing argument could be made for it. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 11:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per my comment above. Userfy/draftify isn't a viable outcome if the article creator is retiring, and there's no reason to believe otherwise. While I feel for him being driven away by the situation of having an article he created deleted—it was PRODded without any notification—the clear interpretation of WP:NFOOTY is that Mensah is not yet notable. Obviously I still endorse a userfy/draftify outcome should the article creator evince an intent to stay around. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 15:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Restore if/when either of these are met. Giant Snowman 13:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per GS. @Pomelotree: should be aware that this does not mean the article is gone forever, merey that the subject doesn't meet the necessary criteria right now. If he does play then the article as it currently stands can be restored. Fenix down (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The author appears to be claiming that Superettan is a professional league. The article claims Mensah has made 27 appearances in Superettan. If both of those are true then the article meets WP:NFOOTY. Spinning Spark 02:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Spinningspark: the former is not true, making the latter irrelevant. See WP:FPL. Giant Snowman 18:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to see an explanation of why it's not true rather than a "nope" from project members. This is why people are getting driven away. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 17:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - @Mendaliv:, not sure what you mean by "true"? Surely you mean verifiable? The league is not verified as fully professional because it does not appear on the list of fully professional leagues. As such consensus is that it is not fully pro. The FPL list is by no means a perfect solution to discussions such as these, but the leagues listed are all sourced and general consensus is that it is the best we have at the moment. Changes to this list are always welcome to be proposed at WT:FOOTY and that is the appropriate arena for such discussions, where all members of the project are likely to see such a thread rather than a single player's AfD. I would invite @Pomelotree: to start a thread there and cite his sources so that they might be discussed. Fenix down (talk) 15:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I mean "true" in the same sense that GiantSnowman meant it. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 17:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: So much has been added. OccultZone (Talk) 15:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - such as what that would enable a GNG or at worst NFOOTY pass? Fenix down (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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