Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sara Petrov

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The result was keep. Courcelles 00:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Petrov

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Petrov seems to receive main notability from a bronze medal in 2001 at the Fina championships as part of the groups synchronized swimming (in a team of 8). That seems to be not enough for individual notability; at WP:notability (sports), swimming is not stated explicitly, so the general guideline should be followed: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published[1] non-trivial[2] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[3] and independent of the subject". I think that is far from established and a google search did find nothing indicating this as well... L.tak (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- -- Cirt (talk) 05:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – WP:NSPORTS cannot possibly cover every sport in existence, even ones like swimming that are following quite a bit (don't get me started on the lack of boxing/MMA guidance). That said, people who have competed at the highest level of their sport are usually deemed to be notable. If that holds here, a synchronized swimmer who's medaled in the world championships (which I assume are the highest level of competition outside the Olympics) should probably be considered notable, especially when the top Olympic-related sports I see covered at NSPORTS (track and field and figure skating) do mention their respective world championships. Swimming is a top-flight Olympic sport as well, and I believe it deserves similar treatment. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify Agree with your inclusion criteria for individuals. But this is notability derived from competing on the highest level in a large group; and whether then every individual is automatically notable I would contest... L.tak (talk) 00:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (in reply to L.tak above), what is the position of other team sport competitors? I've had a look at a random selection of (field) hockey player biographies and it seems that if they competed at at least one summer Olympic games (as part of teams of 11 + substitutes) then they get an article. The same is also true possibly for Commonwealth Games players (although I didn't find enough of these to be sure). Although I didn't find any articles where notability was asserted solely for competition in world championships, my sample size was only about 20 British and Indian players, so it is possible that they are there but I didn't pick them. Whatever the case, it would seem fairest to treat competitors in one team sport (swimming) the same as competitors of another (hockey). Thryduulf (talk) 03:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as an athlete competing at the highest level in her sport and winning a medal in the World Championship for her sport. WP:NSPORT applies to members of teams in team sports as well as individuals in individual sports. -- Whpq (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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