Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sealioning

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW and previous keeps. No reason to keep this open longer since no valid rationale for deletion has been proposed. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 23:03, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sealioning

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This is a definition and an etymology, and belongs on wiktionary. Not noteworthy or substantial enough for wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tempowaryacc (talk • contribs) — Tempowaryacc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

~~Keep~~ Speedy Keep All of the reasons for deletion listed above except one are not valid reasons to delete an article. The one valid reason (not notable) has the obvious problem that the existing references establish notability. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep This page is not written as a dictionary entry; sourcing is more than adequate to establish notability; the motivation for this AfD (by a single-purpose account) is dubious and no steps less drastic than nominating for deletion were taken first. XOR'easter (talk) 20:16, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notability is clearly established by the references. As mentioned by XOR'easter, the article explains a concept and is not a dictionary definition. Johnuniq (talk) 22:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nowhere on this page or any sourced page is it articulated just what is so nefarious about people asking civilly for evidence of an unsourced claim. Are we supposed to take the author's word that all those people are evil trolls and the unsourced claim is somehow more credible than every other unsourced claim on the internet?

Aside from the definition itself is the notability issue. I see in the suggested links that this is somehow related to the Gamergate controversy. I don't think editors realize the impression this gives to people who aren't involved in Wikipedia daily. Wikipedia is not hard up for donations and new users because it desperately lacks Gamergate or Twitter content. The one time in my life I was ever interested in joining Wikipedia and really learning the interface and policies happened to be around the time the controversy page was created. It made me question who would want to come home from work just to edit war about that stuff for hours. The same 5-10 people probably, day after day. I bet if I checked the page history today, it would be the exact same users who were there years ago.

I would rather my girlfriend walk in on me watching porn than see me edit this page. Delete this article. Stop the madness. I don't know how to put my I.P. address here but this is where it should go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:192:8600:90B8:A8BF:99A0:6B91:A0B7 (talk) 22:47, 27 January 2019 (UTC) — 2601:192:8600:90B8:A8BF:99A0:6B91:A0B7 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Unless you are tied to a chair with your head in a clamp, your eyes taped open, a self-refreshing Wikipedia feed on a monitor, and the Wikipedia Song blaring into your ears, nobody is forcing you to edit or even read our sealioning page, so if you feel that you are being subjected to something that you find to be unpleasant, you only have yourself to blame.

If you are tied to a chair, etc., let me address your captors: First, keep up the good work. Second, please take away his keyboard. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Clearly passes GNG. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep AfD From a single-purpose account? Don't feed the trolls. ApLundell (talk) 01:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There was already an AfD for this page a year ago. It was kept then, and the topic has only gained more sources since. Are we done yet? XOR'easter (talk) 01:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to nagging. The page in question is clearly about a neologism and we already have well-established words in English for this behaviour including nagging and pestering. There's also the similar and special case of vexatious requester. WP:DICDEF explains that "In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by" and so we should not have a separate page for every new way of describing this. See also WP:RECENTISM. Andrew D. (talk) 10:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me, but I couldn't help but overhear... I would like to have a civil conversation about your statement that sealioning and nagging are the same thing. The Oxford Dictionary of Social Media[1] defines sealioning as "a disparaging term for the confrontational practice of leaping into an online discussion with endless demands for answers and evidence", but the main Oxford dictionary[2] defines Nag as "Harass (someone) constantly to do something that they are averse to". I'm just curious if you have any sources to back up your opinion? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we are grouping ideas according to what they are, which is why this is not a section in the article about the pinnipeds of the family Otariidae. XOR'easter (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A merge would be a bad idea. They're related concepts, but Sealioning is not a subset of nagging. If the merge went through, editors at nagging would correctly realize that the new material was irrelevant to the article and remove it. That kind of incorrect merge is tantamount to a deletion. ApLundell (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - well-sourced, and no valid reasons provided for deletion. --bonadea contributions talk 14:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - sources are fine, article is short but much more than just a dictionary definition - no problems. GirthSummit _(blether) 20:38, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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