Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seppo Taalasmaa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per a general consensus not to outright delete. There is also a strong feeling that a "List of characters..." article, with the contents of the character articles merged to it (along with redirects of the character's names) may be more appropriate. That's for the talkpages, not AfD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seppo Taalasmaa

Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS Magioladitis (talk) 16:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Magioladitis (talk) 21:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE - The nom is attempting to delete every character article of the popular Finnish TV show Salatut elämät. --Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions.
Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless multiple reliable secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability and to make the article verifiable. Some WP:PLOT concerns also. Jakew (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable- I would like to see evidence first that someone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the nominator would have done better to include all these Salatut elämät characters into one nomination. I can certainly see how this article could be merged into a List of Salatut elämät characters so deletion does not appear to be an option. The sentence " He is played by Jarmo Koski." actually is real world information. And non-Wikiproject Soap Opera members are under no obligation to follow whatever SOAPS says. --Pixelface (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The character has appeared on one of the most popular TV series of Finland for nine years as one of it's main characters. Definitely notable. ,,n (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Finnish TV show so sources exist mostly in foreign language, like this The TV series is popular so Wikipedia needs to cover the characters also. Merge to a list of characters may be considered later, but that requires a keep anyway. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree with that: The soap is notable. I didn't Afd the soap! That the soap is notable doesn't imply that each individual character is notable! It's exactly like episodes and TV series. A soap it's much more that its characters. This is another reason I didn't make a group Afd.-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

but the first step is to figure out which is the important ones--I recognize your reasonable intentions, why don't you try suggesting a merge without loss of content. Myself, I don;t like the genre much, but to the extent they are interesting at all, it is primarily in terms of the recurring characters--opinions will vary here, so the solution is to treat all aspects well,poor more exactly to let others do so. DGG (talk) 02:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The creation of a good List of characters article containing all biographies of the 6 characters would be something useful. I agree with that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If here were articles about clearly less notable Salkkarit characters with much shorter tenure, I could very well vote for deletion. But here in English Wikipedia are only eight articles about characters of this show and in my opinion all of those eight are among the most important characters of the series. Elina, Kari, Seppo, Ulla, Ismo, Jenni and Laura were part of the original group of characters and Aaro, although the character had shorter tenure, is notable as probably the most well-known villain character of the show. ,,n (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.