Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie Firth

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of minor Emmerdale characters (2009)#Angelica King per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Tragic as her death is, as as much as we might feel sympathy for her family, her very brief career fails WP:ENT. And despite claims below, with her now deceased, this is not a BLP1E... but coverage being only for her death makes this a WP:SINGLEEVENT. If anyone wishes this userfied for incoporation elsewhere, ping me. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sophie Firth

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Completing nomination on behalf of IP user 86.158.250.133 (talk). Reason given on talk page is: "I have nominated this article for deletion since I doubt it is notable." I remain neutral. jcgoble3 (talk) 00:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List_of_minor_Emmerdale_characters_(2009)#Angelica_King - Indeed this is a tragic death but there isn't much to establish notability as she only had brief and minor work for Emmerdale. She received the most attention for her death than her career but this is understandable as her work was minor and soap opera baby actors rarely receive attention as it is. I would suggest mentioning her death at the character's page but I believe it may go astray from the purpose of the character's page. However, this is an interesting death so it may be worth noting. Either way, she was not a notable actress. SwisterTwister talk 00:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per SwisterTwister's rationale. Might could merge a line or two, but a stand alone article isn't really justified and sadly, there is little hope for expansion. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The poor girl has just died! How can people be so heartless? You're not human. --86.40.99.24 (talk) 05:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you feel that way but Wikipedia must take things into consideration past personal feelings. I think all of the voters here acknowledge the girl's tragic death but that is not an excuse for notability. SwisterTwister talk 06:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is about the person, not the character she played, so a redirect to the character is not really logical. As there's no other real content, I'd say WP:NOTMEMORIAL or WP:BIO1E also apply. MSJapan (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WP:NOTMEMORIAL is not applicable, it's meant for people without reliable coverage of their deaths such as deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet [notability] requirements.. Diego (talk) 15:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL or WP:BIO1E. Simply not notable. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 07:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The girl was not significant only for her death, but because she played a role in a notable series. This information should be kept, not deleted, just not necessarily as a stand-alone article. Also WP:BIO1E would be an argument to keep or redirect the article about the notable death (The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person); it's not a reason for deletion. Diego (talk) 15:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List_of_minor_Emmerdale_characters_(2009)#Angelica_King - as per user SwisterTwister. No further addition to the user's rationale. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She's attracted a lot of coverage in the UK - as shown by the references here. JASpencer (talk) 11:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only the Huffington Post could be considered a RS from those I've seen in the article - the One News Page is just a link to the Daily Mail article, and the others are clearly not RS. As to what I can find, [1] is a short article, as is [2]. I can't see her Emmerdale appearance being truly notable as she was just a baby, so this is really just a WP:BIO1E failure. I say Delete. Wikipedia doesn't have an article for every tragic death there is. Lukeno94 (talk) 11:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment above - failing WP:BIO1E is a reason to redirect or merge the content, not to delete it. Diego (talk) 15:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The attention that such a tragedy would cause has made it quite notable to be honest. Cexycy (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the content per SwisterTwister. The death is covered as a one time event, so it's verifiable but not notable. This information is more likely to be found by people looking for the character rather than the actress. Just create a link from Emmerdale#Disasters to Angel King and put this coverage there. Diego (talk) 15:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_minor_Emmerdale_characters_(2009)#Angelica_King, the death of this child is very tragic but doesn't warrant a separate page. (A. Carty (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC))[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:BIO1E. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:57, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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This MUST be notable. Sophie has made alot of British news headlines on Television and Newspapers and of-course she was an actress on Emmerdale which has won over 65 awards. Might I add to these IP adder's that (you) have added Sophie as a child actor which she is not as she isn't a male and also you added in Sophie's career section that her parent's are member's of Doncaster council, when I added a personal life section which you deleted. ActorBoss (talk) 12:12, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per SisterTwister's argument. Firth not especially notable in her own right; anyone seeking information on her is likely to do so in the context of Emmerdale, so information should be collected there. Ammodramus (talk) 13:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List_of_minor_Emmerdale_characters_(2009)#Angelica_King. I was the anonymous user who originally nominated this article for deletion. I do not know much about the deletion process, but it seems completely absurd to give this child an article. She was hardly notable enough whilst she was alive to have her own article: she played an extremely minor role in the soap. This would explain why the article was only created after her death. Unfortunately, incidents like this are all too common and it would be ridiculous to create an article every time this happens. A quick internet search sadly gives many similar cases (although, it is probably interesting to note that, at least from my quick searches, I can find absolutely nothing about this case on the websites of BBC News, The Telegraph, The Independent and The Guardian). I cannot see why an article should be made for this girl simply because of her small role in Emmerdale. Instead, I believe a few sentences should be added to the linked article. I certainly disagree with including something in Emmerdale#Disasters because this seems to involve fictional incidents within the soap. 86.158.250.133 (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have a point 86.158.250.133. I actually agree with you now on this matter. We can't create another article like Sophie if another very minor character passes away. Speaking off-topic for a minute, RIP to the little girl. ActorBoss (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
REdirect as suggested. A three-year old is unlikely to have played much of a part. She was a NN minor actress. Perhaps plain Delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The little girl's death, while undeniably tragic, is not singularly noteworthy enough to warrant an article, and the fact that she had no article prior to her death indicates a lack of notability during the short time she was alive. Even a redirect seems like too much, but a standalone article is certainly going overboard. 64.201.173.145 (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect for same reasons noted above. At the risk of sounding 'heartless', I'd like to point out that Wikipedia is not a news source...Trex21 (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_minor_Emmerdale_characters_(2009)#Angel_King per WP:BIO1E. Not notable for a stand alone article, however there is no convincing argument to avoid the redirect. Cavarrone (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above; tragic but unfortunately not notable. Giant Snowman 22:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.