Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spaghetti Red

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spaghetti Red

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No evidence this dish is actually notable, doesn't appear to be known outside of Joplin, MO. I couldn't even find many recipes for it, which for a US food item is a sure sign of non-notability. —valereee (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. —valereee (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find much for this beyond a couple short pieces in the Joplin Globe. This dish is actually familiar to me, (maybe because I live less than an hour and a half from Joplin). Fails WP:GNG, as much as I like this dish. Hog Farm _Talk 08:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This may be a regional dish or even just a regional name for a dish; but keeping it seems to be appropriate. Not everyone would search by the "more common" names and removing this would remove a valid search path. If we are prepared to remove this because it is regional, does that also mean that ALL regional terms should be removed from Wikipedia? This may also relate to regional culture and history, and would be another reason to keep it. As a disclaimer, I grew up in NW Missouri and this was a dish my mother often made. The term may not be "notable" to everyone but it is notable to those who have heard of it, and search using that term. --RobOfEP (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RobOfEP, the question is not whether it's regional (many regional specialties have articles) but whether it's notable, which we show by finding sources that discuss it. If we can find even a single local source we can merge/redirect Spaghetti Red to Chili mac so that if people search on Spaghetti Red, they get to Chili Mac. —valereee (talk) 21:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@-valereee, There are recipes and discussions for it so it does exist. I also see where it's been argued in years past that it is not Cincinnati Chili so it is unique in that regard. Plus, Spaghetti Read and Chili mac are not necessarily the same. I believe it's still notable, admittedly for a small minority; but the point is that it's still recognizable. Lastly, does this mean that all "less notable" items are to be erased from Wikipedia or redirected to a generic pile? I think Wikipedia is important in that it retains the outliers if it is to be complete.--RobOfEP (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RobOfEP, no one is questioning whether it exists. Clearly it does, although various descriptions differ on whether it's chili on spaghetti or red gravy on spaghetti. The question is whether it's notable, which means has it received significant coverage in reliable sources outside of the local area. —valereee (talk) 03:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am unable to find any significant coverage in reliable sources that would establish that this topic can be a standalone article. The article asserts that Fred and Red's originated this dish. I tried to find sourcing for this but was unable to come up with anything. If this can be sourced, then a merge to the Fred and Red's article would make sense. -- Whpq (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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