Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spyros Spyrou (runner)

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The result was keep‎. Possible rename can be discussed on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spyros Spyrou (runner)

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Notability not demonstrated and never won a medal; seems comparable to a Lugstub. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Olympics and Cyprus. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but move to Spyros Spyrou (runner) Meets WP:NTRACK per “1.” with his 6th place at the Athletics at the 1982 Commonwealth Games – Men's 800 metres and per “2.” Winning multiple gold medals at the Games of the Small States of Europe. He set the national record in 1983; and that is still the Cypriot national record. Because he was internationally active between 1981 and 1989, sources should be searched at off-line and Greek language sources. 109.37.152.36 (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable runner who competed at the top level of the sport internationally for many years and is one of Cyprus's best ever distance runners. Has held the Cypriot national record for decades – a fact still mentioned in Cypriot press to this day. SFB 16:32, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~. The sources on the page do not show the subject meets GNG, and no one here has presented any additional citations. SPORTSBASIC requires a SIGCOV IRS source be cited in the article for additional coverage to be presumed, and even that is rebuttable. Meeting NTRACK is irrelevant when SPORTSBASIC is failed.
Keep per SIGCOV in documentary suggestive of multiple other sources of GNG coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NTRACK might still be relevant as it states “coverage is likely to exist” of this athlete; and looking at the era of his active years coverage would be in offline Greek sources. As we don’t have access to offline Greek sources the sentence “coverage is likely to exist” cannot be invalidated, and I assume this is one of the reasons why NTRACK exist. 109.37.152.3 (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage is likely to exist if they meet SPORTSBASIC. If they don't have a piece of SIGCOV cited then none of the presumptions from NTRACK apply. JoelleJay (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Noting that I amended my !vote in response to the documentary source -- apparently editing a comment doesn't show up in watchlists) JoelleJay (talk) 23:41, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Searching his name in Greek in relation to "800" (his national record) seems to bring up a bunch of results, but I don't have the time to go through them all and some aren't translating for me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @BeanieFan11: I have gone through some Greek language sources and located multiple interviews with the subject. I've used these to add his coaching achievements – besides being the national record holder, he is Cyprus's foremost athletics coach at national level. SFB 21:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  @Sillyfolkboy, I haven't had a chance to look through those interviews, but if they are mostly quotes/repetition of things he's said they would not count towards notability due to failing independence and being primary. JoelleJay (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  The subject is not the publisher, hence it is independent. Some of the sources provide retrospective coverage of the athlete's past achievements, which is the definition of a non primary source. Other sources are interviewing the subject on the basis of his achievements in the sport – this is pretty much the common definition of the term, notability. SFB 12:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  No, per OR, interviews are regarded as primary sources, and any content coming directly from the interviewee is obviously not independent. It doesn't matter where the interview is published. It also doesn't matter why the subject was interviewed. The requirement is that someone else has written their own significant commentary on the subject completely independently of the subject. JoelleJay (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  If there's independent content written by an author for a reliable source in addition to the interview part it would count towards notability I believe; I haven't yet looked at the sources but that's what SFB seems to be saying (Some of the sources provide retrospective coverage of the athlete's past achievements). BeanieFan11 (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Sure, maybe SFB could point us to which sources would satisfy that criterion? JoelleJay (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay. BilledMammal (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think I found an old documentary about him: see here. And is this a reliable source dromeas.com? 109.37.131.169 (talk) 18:24, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't tell whether dromeas would be considered reliable, but that would definitely count as significant coverage if so. That documentary wins me over. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, this is a clear Keep now, thanks to IP 109.37.131.169. A 45-minute documentary focusing on his life, which includes at different points images of newspaper headlines about him? Plus a pass of NSPORT, and numerous modern news mentions of him for holding a decades-old national record, at least one of which is clear SIGCOV (assuming reliability)? He's notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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