Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanislav Moravec

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to List of Slovakia international footballers. There was support for the assumption that sources proving notability are likely to exist, but as of closing, none were found. This ATD will make it easier to revert to an article if and when such sources are located. Owen× ☎ 14:44, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stanislav Moravec

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I can prove Moravec exists/existed because he has/had four appearances for Slovakia national football team and currently works as a manager, neither of which is considered free pass. Regarding secondary sources, the best I found is Gulf Times. Corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages don't provide significant coverage of him.

Please note that this birth name is common in the Czechoslovak scene, so it's possible to find namesakes such as a kid footballer, which I can't prove whether or not he is related to the former footballer. This article has existed for 16 years without any decent source, and a redirect to List of Slovakia international footballers might be an alternative to deletion.

⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Slovakia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am not sure I trust this nomination, I am certainly struggling to find sources, but it's an interesting career it seems, I am sure there must be some sources to help improve the article. Govvy (talk) 14:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 07:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Govvy. The nature of this guy's career indicates there must be offline and/or non-English language sources, and I suggest we apply WP:COMMONSENSE here. Giant Snowman 07:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He appears to still be active as a coach. Giant Snowman 07:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Managing an amateur team looks like a weak claim to notability. As Moravec's profile is not listed in the current squad anymore, I doubt he left the club, but probably have to ask the club for confirmation. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Giant Snowman and the strong career. This is not the type of player we should concentrate on deleting. Geschichte (talk) 08:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that he played his career in a top-tier league etc. is based on now-defunct guideline NFOOTBALL. There are no sources which prove notability of this person, so the article should be redirect to List of Slovakia international footballers or deleted. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you, NFOOTBALL was a guideline that opened up for everyone who played even a single minute in this and that competition. That's not remote to the subject we are talking about here. Geschichte (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per above. Some of the recent nominations of these Slovak players have not had a good WP:BEFORE. Svartner (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Where is the required citation to a GNG source? Footballer accomplishment/league play was explicitly deprecated as a notability rationale, there is no carve-out for people who meet some arbitrary standard like "interesting career". I searched sport.sk archives and found only a handful of passing mentions (like this and this) and quotes from him as coach, e.g. this. Nothing in Spectator, SK Today, Sky Sports; nothing in the Wiki Library. If someone manages to find actual coverage of him somewhere they can easily go into the redirect history and restore the three sentences currently there. JoelleJay (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question @JoelleJay: Redirect to where? I don't see how you can redirect, I also find it strange that people above are voting to keep over my comment, at no point did I say keep! Seems you managed to find some sources know, they seem a bit weak know. There is a reason why he earned four national team caps hence my comment above, find that out and that could help with the GNG problem. Regards. Govvy (talk) 10:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to where? His name is mentioned in List of Slovakia international footballers.

As GiantSnowman said, given the generation of this former footballer, there might be archived sources. We just have to know whether or not they provide significant coverage of Moravec.

⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I based my redirect recommendation on what Clariniie had said above in response to Geschichte. GNG does say Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability, so if a search of the online archives of four of the top Slovak sports news orgs didn't yield anything, that ought to count for something. The article can be recreated if someone finds SIGCOV in offline newspapers, but right now it directly violates SPORTCRIT. JoelleJay (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay: The problem with doing that redirect, it then hides all his other activity, it's better to delete the name, that way if people search for it, they will also find it on other pages, like FK Dukla Banská Bystrica, where he is listed as notable. But why is he notable there you must add, because he also has international caps, there maybe another reason. So the redirect logic is not a sound one. Besides, I'd still believe he is notable for the reason, getting to be capped by the national team is a good feet. I feel the nomination has not considered this at all, and are putting his name in the same boat as small islander nations. Moravec was selected from a much bigger pool of footballers to choose from. This is where the nomination fails, because this hasn't taken that into account. Govvy (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why should we take that into account when those kinds of criteria were explicitly deprecated from NSPORT? And the article is still required to cite a source of SIGCOV even if the subject does meet a sport-specific criterion. JoelleJay (talk) 18:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was explaining why a redirect wouldn't work and a few issues, so why on Earth would you say deprecated from NSPORT. People talk about silly wikipedia policies all the time and those that are doing that rarely look for sources from my prospective. Govvy (talk) 22:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Slovakia international footballers: There are no sources in the article providing WP:SIGCOV and a cursory search didn't turn up anything of note. While it is quite possible that there are offline sources, we can't assume that to be the case. Redirect as a WP:ATD, which also preserves the page history. Let'srun (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.