Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Sapphires

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of teams and organizations in DC Comics. Courcelles (talk) 13:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Star Sapphires

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Another contested redirect without a single in-depth reference from an independent reliable secondary source. Delete as per WP:NOTPLOT. Zero real world notability, everything is in-universe. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Comics and animation. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the opening paragraph to List of teams and organizations in DC Comics#S - While I would have agreed completely with that initial merge to the Star Sapphire (DC Comics character) page for all of the reasons stated in this nom, that page is no longer a viable target as it, itself, went through an AFD with the consensus to merge it to the List of DC Comics characters: S page, which just has not been done yet. Outside of that opening paragraph, the current page is one hundred percent in-universe plot summary with the only sources being used being the comics themselves. Searching for sources on the group as a whole just turns up more plot summaries and listicles. While some individual members (mainly just Carol Ferris) may have a bit more coverage, the group as a whole does not have enough to warrant more than a brief summary on a larger list. Rorshacma (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For consistency sake I rather it stay since all the other emotional spectrum organizations have articles and one is as notable as the other. Are we contesting the rest of the emotional spectrum organizations then? This is just as annoying as merging one of the Power Pack characters but all the rest of the members stay even when one of the mergists threatened they were next but it never happened. I don’t know if it’s OCD or what... But it grinds my gears when you go halfway with similar relevant articles. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 17:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, very likely with the obvious exception of the Green Lantern Corps, I would very much argue to merge those as well, as all of those articles suffer the exact same issues as this one. (Particularly the article on the Orange Lantern Corps, as there is no true "Orange Lantern Corps" and Larfleeze already has their own article, but that is another discussion altogether). But, as a large group nomination of all of them together probably would have resulted in a call to separate them into individual AFDs, all we can do is discuss each one individually as they come up. Rorshacma (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can argue it all you want, but chances are this article will most likely be merged just because this was on AFD and the other articles will maybe stay seeming just as inconsistent on Wikipedia as the Power Pack Power family having all but one article of the characters. Like I said, the whole Power Pack (beside Alex, who ironically enough is the more the protagonist than all the rest!!!!) was claimed to be not as notable too but they never got the never AFD boot. Seems weird on what article we decide to pick and choose on. I know this is similar to that silly essay argument, Other things argument yada yada yada. But this is still a valid issue that bugs me and maybe can be an issue to readers too. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 13:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I too agree with what @Jhenderson777: is saying. --Rtkat3 (talk) 03:04, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the claims of @Jhenderson777:. To the closer if the outcome is merge, make sure the link is redirecting to it's section at List of teams and organizations in DC Comics. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The claims of Jhenderson777 are literally just "it would annoy me if this is merged and other articles are not". That is not a valid reason for keeping, and thus making a Keep argument based purely on that is likewise not a valid reason for keeping. Rorshacma (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While I do not disagree, Rorshacma. It’s more of a comment with the preference of keep. But I do feel like you are mocking the situation that I brought up. At this point all these AFD’s are getting useless. Because these AFDs are for deletion and everybody knows they will ended up merged instead. I think the AFD is a setup ruse for more opinions to get rid of the article potentially. Why not merge request since we all know they won’t be deleted? I don’t know about AFD, but at least we can merge request more than one relevant articles too. Also if it’s allowed in AFD, then why don’t we use more than one example like what I am bringing up? Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 23:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to ~~List of DC Comics characters: S~~ List of teams and organizations in DC Comics#Star Sapphires. "Zero real world notability" is incorrect, there is some discussion in this book, p. 179 and a bit at this one, p. 95/97. In addition there are a number of secondary sources which do indeed discuss them in-universe, like [1], [2], [3], [4]. Daranios (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The non-listicles and plot summary sources are really the barest of mentions of the group. Also, the very first book you linked to does not actually seem to be on the right topic - it appears to be speaking of the Star Sapphire characters as they appeared in the Silver Age. Not the actual "Star Sapphire Corps", which this article is about, which did not debut until the late 2000's. Confusing, I know, but that's why having three separate articles on Carol Ferris (the character most closely associated with the name Star Sapphire), Star Sapphire (DC Comics character) (a bunch of other minor characters associated with the name Star Sapphire but not part of the the actual group "The Star Sapphires") and this article on the "Star Sapphires" group, all three of which reiterate a lot of the same information, is clearly not the best way to present any of the actual reliably sourced information. Rorshacma (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with "barest mention" (that happens in more secondary sources not listed), but discounting Nerd Ecology, what I've seen is probably not enough non-plot information for a stand-alone article. (There might be for a Star Sapphire article which includes the Star Sapphire corps, but it seems that ship has sailed for now.) Merge then. Daranios (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, while there really is not enough for a standalone article on any of the non-GL "emotional spectrum" groups like this one, maybe there is a possibility for some kind of article covering the concept behind them as a whole that they could all be merged into. For now, though, that List of teams and organizations in DC Comics#S is the best place to cover the information on this group. Rorshacma (talk) 18:52, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Particularly it's section on that page. It took me weeks to restructure the List of teams and organizations in DC Comics page like I had to do with the List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations page. --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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