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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Coredesat 05:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sunset Coast

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Fail WP:NOTE two primary criteria as the article is self published advertising Gnangarra 14:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. The "independence" qualification excludes all self-publicity, advertising by the subject, self-published material, autobiographies, press releases, and other such works affiliated with the subject, its creators, or others with a vested interest or bias.2
  2. "Non-triviality" is an evaluation of the depth of content contained in the published work, exclusive of mere directory entry information, and of how directly it addresses the subject
  • this AfD discussion has been listed/noted at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/AfD Gnangarra 14:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC) [reply]
  • Keep This is not some plot of land but a defined, named area of a major geographic region. 69,000 google hits for "'Sunset Coast' perth" with detailed, non-trivial treatment of the area in multiple websites about perth in general. Ten book hit on google books. Here's an article in the New York Times mentioning the "magnificent beaches along the Sunset Coast." Per WP:LOCAL, there appears to exist "enough reliable and verifiable information ... about the subject to write a full and comprehensive article about it."--Fuhghettaboutit 15:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Redirect is used by WA Government planning and promotion agencies and the like - eg this one from WA's Tourism Commission [1] - I remember when it was officially launched during the 1990s. The article seriously does need cleanup however, "most favourable beach" smacks of POV, and nothing about the history or application (figures and dates would be nice). Any categories or other stuff using "Sunset Coast" as an umbrella can, however, be shot on sight. Orderinchaos78 16:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed my mind a bit. It merits about a paragraph in the main article for Perth, doesn't really need an article of its own. Redirect to Perth, Western Australia. Orderinchaos78 02:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep !!! Definite keep. Moncrief 19:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's a crappy article, but I don't understand the assertion of non-notability for something this well known--even if it is from its extensive advertising as a tourist destination and the work that went in to develop the concept. Slap it with the approriate clean-up tags if it needs WP:CLEAN, but please don't waste time in a AfD if it needs cleaned up, not deleted. KP Botany 19:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A-freaking-men! Moncrief 20:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - not one of the responses so far have addressed the actual reasons for deletion. The simplest google search would find the commercial promotional web page most of the information initially came from. Which begs the question of plagiarism from a website. The term is not commonly used by local news media, it is a commercial construct. It is not a major geographic region - it is a narrow coastline - a mere small component of the Swan Coastal Plain. On the basis of possible plagiarism, and lack of addressing the actual reason for deletion - from my perspecctive the keep comments carry no weight whatsoever. SatuSuro 02:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One possibility is to change it to a redirect - but to what I'm not exactly sure (possibly Perth, Western Australia). If it survives as an article, it should be purely about a name and campaign devised by the WA Government's tourism department and its success or failure based on a range of sources, rather than about the region - the fact is that as you said, very few people in Western Australia use the name. I might see what I can find and propose an alternative article. Orderinchaos78 02:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You haven't established that it is self-publicity. I don't think the Sunset Coast is a Wikipedia editor. The article is a stub, and doesn't seem to have enough information sources to verify your second point. However, please give me a link to the exact guideline which says that the article should be deleted for this reason, and I will look it over and repsond. Rock climbing sucked as an article, but no one thought it should be deleted because of that. Does this article simply need to be referenced properly and cleaned up? Orderinchaos, also city governments may have documentation on this, often in the US this is available on the web.KP Botany 02:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
'Response" The nomination for afd is specifically what you say is not established - a simple google search will find a web site with the words and images more or less replicated in the first edits of this article - what more do you want? Also three separate editors have stated that the term is in not common usage - it is indeed the remains of a tourism promotional material that does not really exist in Perth anymore SatuSuro 03:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Pretty much most of the content there now is irrelevant. As for the name - It's a bit of a weird one, in that it is an official (tourist) name that is not used extensively locally, that seems to have been "sub-let" by the Tourism Department of the WA Government to a private tourism association who promote their own members. So it's not WP:CORP, but the current article verges on it. Orderinchaos78 02:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Certainly exists and is verifiable, but noteworthy? Maybe. Very few locals use the term and I suspect it was designed as part of a minor but now largely defunct marketing campaign. The article needs some more focus on that campaign. Could possibly be merged with a future Tourism in Western Australia article.—Moondyne 03:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment merge to Perth, Western Australia isnt appropriate as the defination by the commercial site is MRS area the defination by WATD includes areas outside the MRS, Moondynes suggestion is more appropriate. When the article was created a number of "It's part of Sunset Coast." sentences were scattered(spammed) through various WA articles with no apparent attempt to inculde into the prose of the articles. The editor was asked to clean the article up. As nothing had been done to clean the article when the spamming occured again I nominated for AfD. It fails 2 WP:NOTE primary criteria being promotional advertising, and being trivial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gnangarra (talk • contribs) 04:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep - needs thorough rewrite and cleanup, but there are several of these areas around Australia with unofficial names for the region - eg. part of the south Coast of NSW is known as the "Sapphire Coast", even though that's not an official name (like the Sunshine Coast or Gold Coast are). Cleanups should not be thrown into AfDs. JROBBO 11:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this isnt a cleanup article its a spam article used to advertise a tourist company. Gnangarra 12:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response to Gnangarra - Please cite any wording if that has been used to promote the tourist company in the Sunset Coast article! Please note that it has been linked up to various WA relevant articles, because those coastlines or beaches are in fact part of Sunset Coast, as a Wikipedia editor, this is my responsibility and right to make supplement based on GFDL. In practice, most significant places used to attract tourists that locals are always seldom go even don't know it exists. For example, the Pinnacle Desert in WA, the peak in Hong Kong, the Hollywood Boulevard (Hollywood Walk of Fame )in Los Angeles etc. Those all usually ignored by locals. But it doesn’t mean they don’t exist or not important. Again, this is one of evidences show that Sunset Coast is an official name used in the current Website of Department of Planning and infrastructure Government of Western Australia (designed for locals) - http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/cycling/1926.asp Widen the sight!--Alfeewusy 16:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response and Question Let me see if I understand you correctly. It's a name coined for the purposes of tourism, so discussing the promotion of tourism in the article is tantamount to advertising for the tourism agency? So, discussing tourism on Wikipedia is not allowed? What about advertising? Is there an article on Super Bowl Commercials? If this mentions a specific commercial, it should be deleted because mentioning a commercial is the equivalent of advertising that commercial? Tricky. KP Botany 23:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment An example of its use - "Promote beaches - expert". The West Australian. 25 November 2002. p. 11. "Mills said that WA's politicians, planners, developers and the community had to decide whether they wanted WA's beaches, particularly the Sunset Coast, promoted as tourism destination, and if so, how that could be achieved. Sunset Coast Tourism Association vice-president, Andrew Slomp, said the Sunset coastal strip had to develop its own identity, like Fremantle and the Swan Valley. However, Slomp added that the association was not interested in development similar to the Gold Coast." In a real estate writeup in September 2002 from the Sunday Times: "WITH land prices booming along the Sunset Coast, the shack at 40 Branksome Gardens must be one of Perth's hottest properties." So as you can see, it's not used in the same way as one would use the Gold Coast as a location, or Perth as an area (any Perth person would just say "Perth" or "northern suburbs" or "Scarborough") - but does exist from a tourism promotion point of view. Orderinchaos78 04:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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