Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sven Odia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Obviously the discussion about what happened on German Wikipedia is totally irrelevant, and is ignored. There are other irrelevant comments too, such as the very strange comments about whether someone did something "on purpose" or not. Ignoring all that, and looking at the reasons given for keeping, we see a lot of stuff unrelated to Wikipedia's policies, such as that Sven Odia is "most influential", that he "has played a key role", that an editorcpredicts that he "will always be in the news". There may be a case for changing Wikipedia's notability guidelines to include factors such as those, but at present they don't, so those considerations too are irrelevant. I'm afraid that "he does not have abundant secondary sources but this should not stop his page being retained" is not just not a reason for keeping, it is as clear a reason for deleting as could be possible, because a substantial amount of coverage in secondary sources is precisely the main requirement of Wikipedia's notability standards. The conclusion is that scarcely any argument compliant with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines has been advanced for keeping the article, whereas reasons for given for deletion do conform to policies and guidelines. JBW (talk) 20:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Odia

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Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. Got speedy deleted in dewiki. Also seems like a violation of WP:PAID. Icodense (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Icodense (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Germany. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Any info on this person could go under the Engel & Volkers page, seems largely promotional. The speedy delete from dewiki is also telling. Kazamzam (talk) 17:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think we can discuss the notability instead of basing it on the deletion on DE wiki. Also, the DE wiki page was requested under speedy deletion by a non registered user having no other edits on DE wiki. When I translated the page it was check by 2 editors who were ok with the content. All sources that I used contains info about him and are reliable that's why I thought it may be a good inclusion from my side and I kept in my not to use any single word that is promotional in nature but I will leave it to the community obviously. Thanks NatalieTT (talk) 11:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The speedy delete from DE wiki was by a non-registered user and therefore should be ignored. The Engel & Völkers article is substantial and mentions Sven Odia in only one sentence. It states facts about the company in a non-promotional manner. It is not 'largely promotional' - WP:NOTPROMO.Didgeridoo2022 (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sven Odia is most influential in German real estate. He has played a key role in the international expansion of Engel & Volkers. Admittedly, he does not have abundant secondary sources but this should not stop his page being retained. A person of such importance will always be in the news.ZogNitKeynmol (talk) 03:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have started a SPI case for the two accounts above, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Didgeridoo2022. --Icodense (talk) 18:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. SPI has come back as possible and needs to be reviewed for behavioural evidence. Further policy-based input required.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dare I ask why we should ignore the speedy delete? Because an unregistered user made it? IP editors are human too... Industrial Insect (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My point was that I think someone did that on purpose. Also, DE wiki editors say we have nothing to do with EN wiki as a policy then why someone would base that deletion of DE wiki on EN Wiki. I jut try to follow all policies and cite reliable info with no promo etc. NatalieTT (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean "someone did that on purpose"? Of course someone did that on purpose. Nobody files a speedy delete by accident. Or are you trying to insinuate that you (or Mr Odia) have personal enemies here who are out to get you? Please stop focussing on the person who filed the speedy delete and start focussing on how Mr Odia meets notability. For Mr Odia's notability, it does not matter in the least who filed the speedy delete. The article was deleted by an admin who surely was not an unregistered user, so now what? --2003:C0:8F18:6600:7C0A:BA91:1F17:E8AE (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hence proved, with this comment you second that my concerns are genuine. Admins should check the relevance between this IP and the person who initiated the AFD and start an SPI. This IP is personally involved and watching everything. I don't know Odia but I will now try to reach out to him if possible and ask if he had any encounter with anyone on Wikipedia DE or EN. I thought he is notable and saw some recent coverage of new CEO etc so I thought I should create a page. I'm sorry if this is hurting you so badly. NatalieTT (talk) 13:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The SPI is now open. NatalieTT (talk) 13:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a pretty obvious revenge action for the SPI case I opened a few days ago. Of course there are other German editors when a Germany-related article is discussed. You mentioned the article in dewiki at de:Wikipedia:Löschprüfung#Sven_Odia, so there is even an obvious reason why someone else from Germany found this AfD. We're not all the same person just because we're from the same country with 84 million inhabitants and there is no big conspiracy, lol. --Icodense (talk) 15:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record: Revenge SPI closed as a "meritless report". --2003:C0:8F3A:5300:20C0:3645:5B24:5DAE (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete insufficient media coverage of the CEO. Wikipedia:Notability does not exist. --Puttkgbru (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Odia is no longer CEO. He was replaced by Jawed Barna on 1 November 2023. [1] --Puttkgbru (talk) 10:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.