Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tally Solutions (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. The article as it stands today is substantially improved from the one that was nominated. The argument that the sources are disguised press releases has not been convincingly made. J04n(talk page) 15:22, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tally Solutions

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I considered speedy but it may be removed so here we are again, this is still questionable for any applicable solid notability, WP:CORP and WP:GNG. It's interesting to note the article was deleted after the 1st AfD but has now been restarted earlier this hour. Notifying g the only still active AfDer Andy Dingley. SwisterTwister talk 03:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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User:SwisterTwister User:Andy_Dingley - The article needs more references, not a debate for deletion. Result of the previous debate for deletion was keep - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tally_Solutions

Hey guys here's some "solid notability" for you - http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=21842119 Akshaylike (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

delete We are not here to be a business directory, nor unpaid advertorial. Tally Solutions is a real business, but why is it an encyclopedic business? The article is not showing this, I see no reason to believe that it could ever show this.

I would also list the one-liner article Shyam Sunder Goenka for AfD too. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Meets WP:CORPDEPTH. Source examples include, but are not limited to the bylined news articles and other sources listed below. See also: WP:NEXIST. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

Live Mint
"Business Strategy: A Case of Tally Solutions Pvt. Ltd.". CMRD Journal of Management Research. pp. 56–59.
Business Standard
The Times of India
Business Standard
The Hindu
Business India. pp. 24–. (subscription required)

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Keep Who deleted this article when all previous AfD's resulted in a "Keep"? ~~Also, why are two editors signing the same text?~~ DeVerm (talk) 23:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think this passes WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. I just had a look at this and it seems they have been getting coverage over a sustained period of time. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

delete most of the sources in the article and in the list above are light re-dressed press releases. I note the by line on this one: "BS Reporter". The one really good source here is CMRD Journal of Management ResearchJytdog (talk) 06:23, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Reading the actual articles proposed as references, they are either just announcements or press releases. Unfortunately, many Indian newspaper carry such disguised press releases as if they were articles, and are therefore unreliable sources for the notability of a company. IF there's any doubt about this, just read them. Many just contain a quote from the founder of the firm. The main contents of the article is his tale of how he just so happened to get the idea for the business, which is just fluff--whatever he decided to tell his press agent. DGG ( talk ) 22:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG: For starters, how is the "Business Strategy: A Case of Tally Solutions Pvt. Ltd." source an "announcement" or "press release"? It certainly is not. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:39, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

You are right about that one. Ifthere are more like it, the firm would be notable. DGG ( talk ) 15:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 12:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - There look to be an awful lot of sources in recognizable sources. Some, even perhaps most, might be press releases or derived from press releases, but it doesn't look like all of them are. As much as I don't like linking to a company's website for press links, they've archived many that are not longer available. See here and here. It's a mix of unimpressive, somewhat promotional, and seemingly legitimate sources. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability, schmotability - what matters to me that this reads as advertising and needs a dose of WP:TNT; it can then perhaps be recreated in a more neutral manner. Sandstein 06:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and cleanup for NPOV. The article is full of promotional fluff, but the sources are there to satisfy WP:CORP and specifically WP:AUD - in fact, for a South Asian business (where traditionally it's hard to find truly independent sources for the reasons mentioned by DGG above), this is actually quite a wide spread of online references attesting to this company's market-leader status in its home country. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 10:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable company and product and certainly qualifies GNG. However, the page needs to be cleaned up. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 11:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The articles listed here by Northamerica1000 (talk · contribs) from Mint, Business Standard, and The Hindu demonstrate that Tally Solutions passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. I've reviewed Tally Solutions and found the article to be neutrally written so this should not be deleted under WP:TNT or WP:NOTADVERTISING. Cunard (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did not see an answer to my earlier question on who deleted this article when previous AfD's resulted in a keep. I have checked this now and found that it was speedy deleted last year. This was done against the guidelines for WP:SPEEDY which states: If a page has survived its most recent deletion discussion, it should not be speedy deleted except for newly discovered copyright violations and pages that meet specific uncontroversial criteria; these criteria are noted below. The speedy delete was done under the criteria A7 and G11 and these are -not- listed as these "specific uncontroversial criteria". The conclusion is therefor that the article should have been undeleted. DeVerm (talk) 22:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I fixed the article with better writing and more sources. Obviously notable - look at the hundreds of training classes for the software. Once this discussion is over I'll add an infobox and logo. Side note - it was in need of a tune-up, but it's surprising how many votes there are to delete. Maybe people need to slow down - a hasty delete vote goes against everything we are doing here.Timtempleton (talk) 23:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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