Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Altruist

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Altruist

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Does not appear to meet WP:NFILM. No wide release; page for Mick McCleery was successfully AfD'd in January 2019. Previously PROD'd by Another Believer but was dePROD'd on grounds of WP:NEXIST. Having done a search, I don't believe they do. Kazamzam (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Kazamzam (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I found some local coverage, which is nice but not really the strongest possible source since local papers are more likely to cover local people. There's mention of it screening at a film festival in 2011 and winning an award, but it's not really a major film festival from what I can see so that's not really usable either. Finally, it looks like there are two critic reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, but I'm not sure how usable either really are. One of them doesn't seem to be running anymore, as when I click on the link on RT it takes me to a spam site. It's overall pretty weak sauce at best. This very technically meets notability guidelines by way of the film festivals and smattering of coverage, but in my opinion it also fails it pretty solidly at the same time. I would say that it would be good to identify what film festivals would qualify under NFILM, but that would be kind of hard to pin down. For example, one could argue that we only use notable film festivals - however that would exclude those screenings and mini-festivals held by very notable and major institutions. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Bitman, Terry (2004-11-02). "Not 'The Twilight Zone,' but a S. Jersey thriller". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Archived from the original on 2024-12-03. Retrieved 2024-12-03.
  The article notes: "Here's the chilling plot: There are terminally ill people who would like someone to end their suffering, and there are people who like the thrill of killing. Why not match them up?The story may sound like something out of the old Twilight Zone, but in fact it is from a low-budget independent film called The Altruist, shot in Camden County.It is the latest production of writer-producer Mick McCleery, 34, a full-time teacher at the Gloucester County Institute of Technology, who has been writing screenplays since he was a child. The Altruist—which McCleery calls a "dark thriller"—is scheduled to premiere tomorrow at the Ritz Sixteen in Voorhees."
2. Shryock, Bob (2004-11-02). "Teacher premiers new independent feature film". Gloucester County Times. Archived from the original on 2024-12-03. Retrieved 2024-12-03 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "County Institute of Technology (GCIT), will attend premiers of his new independent feature film, "The Altruist," twice in the next five days. That translates to two showings on two continents, from the Ritz 16 in Voorhees Wednesday to sold-out Clapham Picture House in London, England Sunday, 88 hours and 3,500 miles apart. ... The 104-minute film, which McCleery describes "a match-making service" for the country's 30,000 annual murders and 60,000 annual suicides, is a low-budget ($10,000 to $15,000) flick shot almost exclusively in South Jersey and largely in Deptford. Some cast members and technicians are Gloucester County products ..."
3. Longsdorf, Amy (2004-10-29). "Haddon Heights native's project makes it to big screen". Courier-Post. Archived from the original on 2024-12-03. Retrieved 2024-12-03 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "From that notion sprung The Altruist, a drama about a Kevorkian Inc.-style business called Terminal Assist. For his cast, McCleery turned to actors he'd worked with before, including childhood pal and fellow Haddon Heights native John Innocenzo, Innocenzo's wife Bobbi Ashton, Mike McLaughlin, Nick Cammarano and a half-dozen of McCleery's fellow teachers from Gloucester County."
4. Ralph, Matthew (2004-11-11). "Friends' lives come together to create film" (pages 1 and 2). Gloucester County Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2024-12-03. Retrieved 2024-12-03 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "When lifelong friends Mick McCleery and John Innocenzo spent a semester studying in London, neither dreamed they'd be returning to the city to premiere a film 14 years later. On Sunday, McCleery, 35, of Haddon Heights, who teaches full-time video production at Glouceste County Institute of Technology, and Innocenzo, who appeared in McCleery's first film in grade school, revisited the city they both spent a semester of college in to premiere McCleery's low-budget feature length film "The Altruist." While it was filmed exclusively in Gloucester and Camden counties, its star Billy Franks lives in London and arranged the screenin at the brick Clapham Picture House on a narrow side street in the southwest London village of Clapham."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Altruist to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard - I really appreciate you finding these sources and I will add them to the article shortly. That being said, I don't believe that these suffice for WP:NFOE. The mentions are rather short and don't really review the film in full. If anything, I would argue that they support the notability of the director, whose page was previously deleted. Kazamzam (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I am satisfied with the sources identified by Cunard and think they allow to build a decent article about an apparently sufficiently notable film. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 19:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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