Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Brass Action

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Brass Action

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I'm not confident this group passes the bar of notability for bands. I'm not seeing a notable label, significiant coverage that's indepth, national tours or making any charts. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:29, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They meet item 10 in the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles": "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable". They appear live in, and have two songs included in the soundtrack of, the film Horns. RichieeihciR (talk) 01:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct but if you read the tail end of that it states "But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article" The problem here is that the music itself is not notable yet and a redirect to that article for the band would probably leave readers a little confused.. I like indie bands so I do like seeing them get in here but for this band that time isn't now. It probably will be soon though ;) Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 03:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough, and I appreciate what you are saying - but in this case, the band has 2 songs in the film, they perform their original music in a live performance and have a speaking role in the film, and one of the tunes making it on the Official Soundtrack released by Lakeshore Records. Personally I feel that, all together, that is going above and beyond the very basic definition of Item 10 and justifies qualification (ie its not just a background song).

Further, I am curious about how you look at Item 7, and how you define "prominent". These guys have the biggest online presence/engagement and the most youtube viewership for bands of that genre and area, and have arrange a compilation album that put a spotlight on the scene in the region and united similar artists within. I understand these facts need to be "verifiable", so if the wiki community is not sold on Item 10, would getting a paper to write an article about all this other stuff help make the case?

Appreciate the feedback! RichieeihciR (talk) 00:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look for small things like awards, I wrote a article on The Haunted Windchimes who has delightful music and everyone I think should take a listen to but the only way they are here is they won a significant indie award and they've been featured on NPR. If you can find things similar or that other coverage we can use that for notability. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

good to know. What about my points on Item 10? Ie, not just a background song, but a major scene using the bands original music and their live performance of it. It is one movie, but many items of notability within it. Seems like reasonable justification.RichieeihciR (talk) 01:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I personally wouldn't consider that as meeting the threshold. The nice thing about AFD is that you don't have to convince me, it's a discussion between others who will agree or disagree as they see things in relation to policy. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

haha, you just answered my next follow up question. Cheers. Thanks. RichieeihciR (talk) 03:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - appearing on the soundtrack of a major motion picture is a decent claim to notability. However, the sourcing is rather weak and I didn't find much more in my searches. More could probably be found is specialty sources for the band's genre, by an expert in the area (i.e. not me). Still the existing sourcing suggests to me the band is notable, but only just barely. Pinging @Onel5969: who accepted this at AfC for input. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note, the Horns soundtrack itself is definitely notable, so potentially an article on it could be created and this content merged there. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - First of all, thanks for the "ping", ThaddeusB! I usually don't get involved in AfD discussions of articles I've moved to the mainspace through the AfC process. I always feel that my "keep" should be recognized by the fact that I approved it. However, having read this thread I thought I'd throw my .02 in. Everybody is dead on. I was initially going to decline it based on notability, but the #10 criteria was met. And I get exactly what Hell is saying, that if that is the only criteria, perhaps it isn't notable. I try to err on the side of the author of the article, as I don't want to discourage folks from becoming involved in Wikipedia. The fact that they had a couple of songs in that category (albeit for the same film), as well as the significance of the other artists on the soundtrack also helped sway me. I agree with Thaddeus, that this is marginal notability, but I think it ekes over the threshold. Onel5969 (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I guess it is implied, but I thought I would reiterate my position. I feel that the Item 10 is not only met but exceeded by this band. They perform their original work in the film, with a main character acting as a member of the band; They have a second song as background music; The singer has a speaking role; and, they are included on the official soundtrack, which only includes 11 of the 21 songs in the film. Though all in the same film, each of these successes should be considered separately, and, if you tally it all up, should surpass the intent of the exclusion caveat in Item 10 (ie, more than a background song)24.84.41.137 (talk) 02:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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