Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tech Guy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 07:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Tech Guy

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Does not pass WP:GNG. The Template:Notability was removed with the comment that the show is a "Major national show. Notability is not an issue." However, WP:RPRGM is an essay not a guideline or policy and I am unable to find any coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources. The show does not WP:INHERIT its notability from its hosts, guests, or producers. A potential redirect target is TWiT.tv or Leo Laporte. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - We do tend to keep national programs. See WP:NTV. ~Kvng (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:NTV is an essay not a policy or guideline. Generally it would be expected that the show pass WP:N. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the reason we have essays is to save us from having to go too deeply down the WP:N rabbit hole for every AfD. We can save some time here by trusting this wisdom. ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Leo Laporte. Fails WP:RPRGM per nom. SBKSPP (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The subject passes WP:RPRGM (a.k.a. WP:NTV). The nom's position is that WP:RPRGM is not official policy. Your statement here is inconsistent. ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As per WP:RPRGM it's national program syndicated on over 200 stations.[1] Another misuse of the essay WP:INHERIT as the justification for inclusion is the show itself, not simply because the host is notable. Oakshade (talk) 22:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Oakshade: would you mind explaining how it's a misuse of WP:INHERIT? I've participated in dozens of AFDs where I've mentioned it in very similar ways and no one has said anything before. INHERIT says that "Inherited notability is the idea that something qualifies for an article merely because it was associated with some other, legitimately notable subjects." and I said above that the show does not inherit notability from people and companies associated with it. I would think that the show needs to have coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources to demonstrate that it passes WP:GNG or an appropriate SNG. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't saying "the justification for inclusion is the show itself" an example of WP:INHERENT? I understand that the primary argument for keep is WP:RPRGM or WP:NTV. Is there a history of consensus somewhere concerning whether or not an SNG that is essay status is enough to keep an article? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TipsyElephant: A WP:INHERIT argument would be something like, the station it airs on is notable so this program must also be notable. WP:NTV says that since this is a widely distributed program (syndicated nationally by Premiere Networks/iHeartMedia), there are presumably sources available for it and readers would expect to see it included in Wikipedia. ~Kvng (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still confused. Doesn't my original deletion rationale follow the same logic? The Tech Guy does not inherit notability from Leo Laporte, TWiT.tv, Premiere Networks, iHeartMedia, or any of the guests on the show right? It might pass WP:NTV, but that's a separate argument isn't it? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's right, establishing notability of the host does not help establish notability of his show. ~Kvng (talk) 03:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:RPRGM. I'm more convinced with Oakshade's argument. SBKSPP (talk) 00:30, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Here is a reliable source discussing the show. I do not think that it is a good idea to delete an article about a nationally syndicated radio show carried by 160 stations. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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