Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Venu Udugula

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The result was redirect to Needi Naadi Oke Katha. Randykitty (talk) 11:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Venu Udugula

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may not be notable, so xfd instead of csd to get consensus ‑‑V.S.(C)(T) 01:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question for nominator @Venomous Sniper: which notability criterion do you think the subject fails, and why? Bakazaka (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
I think it does not fufill this criteria. Commercially sucessful film does not mean that the film is notable in any way. As shown from WP:FILMMAKER

The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.

No part of this criteria states that a commercially sucessful film is a notable/significant one. A commercially successful film may only mean that that work that is prepared, done, or acting with sole or chief emphasis on salability, profit. This is just my opinion, that's why I created an afd instead of directly nominating the article for csd.
‑‑V.S.(C)(T) 03:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Do you think, given the sources and coverage, that the subject passes WP:BASIC? Bakazaka (talk) 03:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To me, I don't think that the person mentioned in this disputed article meets this criteria of WP:BASIC

If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

From the sources, it only states that "Venu Udugula" made a debut ot direct the film "Needi Naadi Oke Katha". To be fair, only a tiny bit of the sources mentioned that it is notable that the film is successful. However, as mentioned above, the film being successful can mean many other things. Indeed, the film is notable that it is widely received by crtics & fans. But this does not immediately imply that the people behind the scenes is sucessful. Why is there no independent article of the screenwriter? He/She is the one that did the most work according to the amount of hours spent of the film, the director is only there to make the movie "nice & well perceived by the audience", without the scriptwriter, will this film even exist? Will the director be notable in this case? Pardon my harsh tone & sorry if I sound rude, this is only my POV.
‑‑V.S.(C)(T) 09:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying. I think I understand your nomination rationale now, and I appreciate your willingness to explain. Bakazaka (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Because of Needi Naadi Oke Katha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgan Leigh (talk • contribs)
Weak keep I am very uncertain about this one. Does he meet WP:DIRECTOR? He has only made one film so far - is it "significant or well-known"? It only came out this year, so I'm not sure. The reviews of the film (from the article about the film) are so-so: "If you ignore the slow pace and predictable storyline, this film ends up as an interesting watch" [1], "the film is refreshingly natural in its emotions and deserves to be seen. If you can ignore the fact that the film lags in parts and has a few chinks here and there, then give it a try this weekend" [2], "Such films should be encouraged for the content and honesty in storytelling, though they have limited appeal." [3]. Those reviews also have comments about the directing, which should be included in this article if it is kept: "Venu Udugula shows promise and with a little more sharpening and embellishment in the script, he could be a name to reckon with." [4], "he makes an impressive debut with this film. He chooses a very contemporary subject and narrates it in a very relatable manner which everyone can justify with. His hold on the emotions is very good and the manner in which he brings out performances from his star cast is quite brilliant." [5], "The debutant director Venu Udugula has managed to put together a film that stands out from the rest, so kudos to that." [6]. The reviews of the film itself, and the directing, would incline me to WP:TOOSOON.

But then, in the references for this article, we have four media sources (The Times of India, Deccan Chronicle, The New Indian Express, The News Minute) running stories about his next film, all including his name in the headline, which does suggest that they consider him notable. Does he meet WP:BASIC? Although some of the sources in this article have more about the actors who will be in his next film than about him, there is one [7] which does have more info about him (more than is in this stub, currently). So overall, probably keep. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Needi Naadi Oke Katha per RGreen. TOOSOON. ∯WBG^converse 07:28, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Needi Naadi Oke Katha. While he's only known for one film and there's so little to say about him, a redirect there seems appropriate. --Michig (talk) 07:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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