Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viktor Deimund

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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Deimund

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More scouting cruft. Serving as president of a small private organization does not automatically confer notability, and the fatal, rather glaring flaw here is that there are no sources to back up a claim of notability. (WP:BASIC and all that.) Not only are the first two links dead, they come from the site of the very organization with which the subject is affiliated. As for the third, it rather problematically fails to mention the subject, even though it has been manipulated here to give that appearance. ("Deimund and Oleg Mozheyko….", albeit the link mentions neither man.)

So, in line with two recent discussions on similar topics, I think we can all agree this should be zapped. - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep as he is the president of the national organization, not even going to react to your snipes and jabs this time, you troll.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Being president of a small private organization (and, by the way, I see no sources, independent or otherwise, attesting even this) does not exempt one from the conditions laid down by WP:BASIC, now does it?

If you'd like this article to survive, please supply evidence that this individual has received "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject". - Biruitorul ^Talk 16:56, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - if he does something else with his life, fine, but as of now, he attended one world scouting conference. Bearian (talk) 12:56, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bearian I just searched with his name in Cyrillic and came up with several hits on his being an activist for those involved in the Chernobyl cleanup. Added them to the article.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Chairman of the Kazakh Chernobyl Cleanup Crew Association" seems like a rather thin claim to notability. Who's next, the president of the Ecuadorean Giant Rabbit Breeders' Association? Or perhaps the head of Mali's J. R. R. Tolkien Fan Club? Maybe, come to think of it, the Dutch Dyke Diggers' Devotees Director has a crack... - Biruitorul ^Talk 00:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not only president of a national association, but also one of the founders of the Scout movement in post-Soviet Central Asia. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Andreas Philopater, could you please specify the independent source(s) from which you draw this information? I mean, there's this - the only problem is that it's a promotional material hosted by a partner organization of the organization that runs the website. So it would be great if you could clarify just where is the "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" attesting to the alleged notability claim. - Biruitorul ^Talk 03:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Your interpretation of "independent" as meaning "cannot have anything to do with scouting or even with educational co-operations that partner with scouts, because this individual they talk about has something to do with scouting" is about on a par with insisting we shouldn't accept French sources about French people, because the two have something to do with one another. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 12:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not really—the above link is basically advertising. I urge you to contemplate WP:IS and its implications in this case. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Work on Chernobyl and Scouting work country wide are note worthy. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 03:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY. He's done more than one notable thing. Bearian (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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