Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WKWL

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete.--Jersey Devil 02:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WKWL

Does not seem to be notable, no reliable sources found. Only Myspace site and an angelfire page found on Google. Readro 22:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. Saligron 00:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Western Kentucky Wrestling League is a completely notable wrestling promotion. I'm the owner, Dillon Scarbrough, AKA Michael Hickenbottom, and I'm working on completing this article myself. I will get the proper notations and cites in order. HBKidJr 19:27, 29 January 2007

Delete Verges on CSD G11, particularly as it appears that the alleged owner of the league seems to be using the page as self promotion or advertising and at best fails WP:CORP. The lack of verifiable reliable sources certainly indicates that this is more suitable for deletion than anything. Agent 86 01:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT DELETE How is it that WWE or TNA or any other wrestling promotion can have their own site discussing the history of it's business, but I can't? Yes I am the owner, but no, this isnt for self promotion. Please allow me the time to complete this article before it's deleted. After I'm done, if it's still not up to standards, remove it with my permission. If I wanted to self promote, I wouldn't choose Wikipedia to do it with. I wanted to show the history and passion of this independent wrestling promotion. I'm a new user, let me get familiar with the functions and it will be corrected.HBKidJr 19:39, 29 January 2007

Comment WP:COI? Saligron 01:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WWE & TNA have WP pages because they're the premiere organizations of a huge industry. They have high-rated cable TV shows. They sell PPV buys in the six-figures. Other promotions, like Stampede Wrestling and Ohio Valley Wrestling are notable for their history and/or associations with big promotions. Show us something worth keeping and we'll consider it. All we have now is a few storylines from two years ago and absolutely no verification that your promo exists outside of your backyard. Demonstrate noteworthiness, then worry about the plot details and character bios afterwards. Caknuck 05:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ReplyI'm the person that runs the league, yes, but if you read, you will notice that I haven't bashed any other promotions or been biased in any manner. I've edited this in a completely informative way. .HBKidJr 19:46, 29 January 2007

Comment It's a possible conflict of interest in that you might be trying to include an otherwise obscure organization that you're personally involved in. (I have no idea if WKWL is of widespread interest or not, but nothing in the article itself indicates it's notable. Fixing that should be your first priority.) Saligron 01:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tornado DD_eleT_e Non-notable wrestling promotion (and that's assuming it exists at all). 18 months' worth of indy circuit news releases at prowrestling.com has no mention of this organization. No ghits for "Fat Krakker", even though he's supposedly a major character in the storylines. The whole thing smells like bunk to me. Caknuck 05:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Jeez, take a look at the pictures on the MySpace page (assuming you can find them). This is totally a case of two kids screwing around in their backyard and wasting our time here. Delete Michael Hickenbottom (WKWL), too. Caknuck 05:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply These WKWL pages hurt no one and are informative to the people in the Fulton County, KY area. They just don't happen to be important to anybody debating this on here, therefore they must be deleted. There's no article on Fat Krakker because I haven't had a chance to edit it yet. It WAS coming. If you notice, the article on Hickenbottom isn't finished yet, nor is the official article on the WKWL. Just because we don't sell out huge arenas doesn't mean we don't deserve a spot on this website. No, we're not listed under independent promotion lists because I don't have a promoter's license, however, I can still operate under conditions of law because I don't charge admission. I come from a small town, therefore the newspaper doesn't have an archive of news articles, but I have a feeling that even if it did, it wouldn't matter. I could post a link to a scan of the newspaper articles from the area, but it wouldn't really matter.HBKidJr 23:59, 29 January 2007
Added Link I added a link to the page that references us as a wrestling federation. It's been listed on the Backyard Wrestling Link since 2001. .HBKidJr 00:47, 30 January 2007

Delete: Non-notable. Wikipedia is not in the business of promoting some random fanboy's attempts to become well-known. -- Jay Maynard 13:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Well whatever. I think it's rediculous that a bunch of dorks get their rocks off by telling someone else what's important and what isn't. Just let me say that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit...that needs to be changed. It's not anybody's encyclopedia. It's the people that need to feel special. The people that have nothing else important in their lives so they pretend they're someone on here and direct traffic. You're all nothing more than rent-a-cops. It's sad that it has to come down to the first grade equivalent to "tattle tail". HBKidJr (talk 17:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. No externally verifiable info, and does seem to have WP:COI undertones. Nothing personal to the Author, but Wiki can't contain everything. See WP:N for criteria to meet to avoid controversy with the reviewers. Arakunem 18:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:CORP. Vegaswikian 18:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Backyard wrestling promotion, fails WP:CORP. One Night In Hackney 18:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.