Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren (Porridge)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Porridge (TV series)#Cast. The history will remain incase anyone wants to merge this or any of the other character pages. J04n(talk page) 10:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warren (Porridge)

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Unreferenced for more than 6 years. A search on Google and Google Books returned no sources that could be used to establish notability. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect into Porridge (TV)#Cast (which should probably be renamed "Characters" if this happens), along with the other minor characters, e.g. Harris (Porridge), who might deserve a cursory couple sentences in the series's article. Failing that, delete. Storkk (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Suggest that your !vote be better formulated as Merge into Porridge (TV)#Cast. Merge implies Merge & redirect as one cannot merge without redirecting and avoid violating the attribution editing guideline, in other words, merge and delete is a no-no. Avoid confusion with redirect (WP:ATD-R), which is a distinctly different option. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not sure how this would be confusing to a closing admin, considering this is a discussion and not a vote (there's a reason for the exclamation mark you used before the word "vote"): I'm describing what I believe should happen to the page (and indeed the other relevant pages, as I implied). I understand it may be slightly redundant: what I meant to convey is that the page should end up as a redirect, but I wanted to emphasize that there may be a sentence or two per character that might be worth saving for the article. Storkk (talk) 01:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Porridge (TV series)#Cast {{R from cast member}} – My online search for sources turned up: IMDb • British Comedy Guide. One would probably need to search 1970s TV guides and newspapers for anything more authoritative. I have no problem with removing it from the encyclopedia as I feel that Porridge (TV series) has an adequate overview of the series' characters, and detailed information on each character may be too much information for a general encyclopedia. However I point out that template {{Porridge}} includes nine other characters, and none of them are referenced either: Norman Stanley Fletcher • Lennie Godber • Ingrid Fletcher • Mr Mackay • Mr Barrowclough • 'Genial' Harry Grout • Blanco Webb • McClaren (Porridge) • Lukewarm (Porridge). Each of these articles was started 27–28 July 2004‎ by Crestville (talk). It seems arbitrary to delete this one Porridge character without deleting the others as well. This article was previously nominated for a merge into Porridge (TV series) in May 2009, however that "merge" was completed a week later via deletion by redirection (see Porridge (TV series): June 2009 Revision history). The idea of merging just this one article without merging the others as well also seems arbitrary to me. I see that the deletion by redirection policy (WP:ATD-R) says: "Sometimes an unsuitable article may have a title that would make a useful redirect. In these cases, deletion is not required; any user can boldly redirect to another article. If the change is disputed, an attempt should be made on the talk page to reach a consensus before restoring the redirect." Crestville and others obviously feel this topic is worthwhile, as they have put some time & effort into these articles. While I'm inclined to steer them to IMDb (I've never contributed there, so I'm unfamiliar with their citation policies), as long as these pages don't have copyright violations or other show-stoppers, I see no harm in redirecting them to Porridge (TV series)#Cast, where some future editor willing to locate 1970s-era sources which establish notability, might find them and more easily resurrect them. Maintaining the history in redirects is a way of letting other editors know that there is some level of interest in the topic. I'm disinclined to support a merge, as this is all unreferenced material, priority should be given to referenced material, and there is a large backlog at Category:Articles to be merged after an Articles for deletion discussion—unless a merge supporter here volunteers to actually do the merge. I advise opening a deletion discussion on the other {{Porridge}} characters as well. Is there a way to convert this to a centralized, multi-deletion discussion on all of these? – Wbm1058 (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC) added proposed redirect category template: {{R from cast member}} – Wbm1058 (talk) 12:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Porridge (TV series), where there is certainly scope for expanding the detail on characters. --Michig (talk) 18:20, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Merge/Archive 2#Automation of merge proposals (specifically the subsection titled Deletion by redirection), for policy and procedures discussion of this Articles for deletion case, as it relates to Wikipedia:WikiProject Merge. – Wbm1058 (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 01:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

Fletch: Advice to the lovelorn, you want, is it, Warren? Compose an appropriate reply?

Warren: No, it's simpler than that, Fletch. I just want you to read it to me.

I have added a couple of sources. Warden (talk) 12:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, good research by Colonel Warden (talk · contribs), above. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Colonel Warden (talk · contribs) and Cirt (talk · contribs). JJ98 (Talk) 22:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Porridge (TV series)#Cast. While finding and adding sources was indeed a good move, they only demonstrate WP:ITEXISTS - they do not establish why this character is notable enough to be broken out into his own article. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:09, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as none of the sources that Warren added show notability of this character. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.