Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westfield Ladies FC
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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If the league they're in isn't notable, I doubt the team is. They also don't seem to have played at a high level in the past. Proposed deletion template was removed, but no reason given. Del♉sion23 (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Del♉sion23 (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Del♉sion23 (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The league is notable and the teams existance can be found via the leagues web page here http://full-time.thefa.com/Index.do?league=388619 Topbanana66 (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- And how many of the women's teams in that link have Wikipedia articles? I count only one other, AFC Wimbledon Ladies, as they have played at a higher level in the past. Plus, that isn't the league's website, it's the FA's record of that league's results. Del♉sion23 (talk) 17:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Correction the league website is here. What would you consider to be a reference in order to consider the club notable? Topbanana66 (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete:The club has played in the FA Women's Cup apparently which would warrant notability but the club fails WP:GNG so deletion is the right action. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 16:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]- Keep: Okay I buy it. He has proven the clubs entry and for a club formed in 2009 it would be common sense to think that 4 references would be enough for now. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Just bear in mind that if this one is kept then we have to redefine our notability criteria for women's football in England. If this article is kept, then every red link on this page has a right to turn blue. The cut-off point is generally accepted to be teams that have played at the FA Women's Premier League level. If this is kept it would set a precedent for a new threashold for women's football club notability in England. Del♉sion23 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Why put red links on non-notable teams? Mentoz86 (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't put them there. Del♉sion23 (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Why put red links on non-notable teams? Mentoz86 (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Just bear in mind that if this one is kept then we have to redefine our notability criteria for women's football in England. If this article is kept, then every red link on this page has a right to turn blue. The cut-off point is generally accepted to be teams that have played at the FA Women's Premier League level. If this is kept it would set a precedent for a new threashold for women's football club notability in England. Del♉sion23 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Okay I buy it. He has proven the clubs entry and for a club formed in 2009 it would be common sense to think that 4 references would be enough for now. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Deletion is not appropiate Yes the club has played in the FA Women's Cup and during season 2011/12 played in FA Women's Cup on Sunday 23rd October 2011, 13th November 2011, and again on Sunday 11th December 2011 against MSA Ladies in the first round proper. If you look at the club's website you will see a list of their Fixtures & Results season 2011/12 and the scores from these FA cup matches. Pictures of the FA Women's Cup match against Oxford City on 13th November 2011 can be found here The club does not fail notability and deletion is not the right action Topbanana66 (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Please see the independant reference links and articles, (especially the one containing the Womens FA cup matches) that have now been added to verify facts within the main article. The club meets notability WP:GNG and deletion in not appropiate Topbanana66 (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Have played in the national cup competition. User:Delusion23, I've never heard of a separate notability criteria for English women's teams in which only Premier League/WSL clubs are notable. Where did you get the idea that the "cut-off point" is there? Clavdia chauchat (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Over 270 clubs will play in the Women's FA Cup this year, yet there are only around 60 articles on women's football clubs in England (i.e. about the number that have ever played in WSL/Prem). It just seems like the criteria in the past has been a lot stricter than you suggest, or otherwise wouldn't all these clubs have articles? Maybe they should, but I'd like to see confirmation that this is the consensus before making 200 new stub articles. Del♉sion23 (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If you think this is (or ought to be) the consensus, isn't the onus on you to come up with something to demonstrate it? As far as I know, WP:FOOTY has never had separate notability guidelines for female players or clubs. The lack of articles is not down to notability criteria, it's down to a general lack of interest in women's football. Frankly the amount of women's clubs currently without articles is hugely embarrassing for the project! If you have the time or the inclination to start creating stub club articles I would support you, and I agree it would be best to start at Premier League level and work down. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Over 270 clubs will play in the Women's FA Cup this year, yet there are only around 60 articles on women's football clubs in England (i.e. about the number that have ever played in WSL/Prem). It just seems like the criteria in the past has been a lot stricter than you suggest, or otherwise wouldn't all these clubs have articles? Maybe they should, but I'd like to see confirmation that this is the consensus before making 200 new stub articles. Del♉sion23 (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:GNG. Where does policy say that playing in the national cup gives notability? If people mean WP:FOOTYN, then I'd politely remind you that that is merely an essay which is not fit for purpose. GiantSnowman 13:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do we have an essay on notability when it's not fit for purpose? Mentoz86 (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Where in WP:FOOTYN does it indicate that the essay provides notability guidelines for male players only? League Octopus (League Octopus 14:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]
- Mentoz - I've lost track of the number of times we've tried to change it, only for the discussion to drift off with nothing happening. If I had the time I'd sort it out properly.
- Octopus - it doesn't say anything about male/female players. GiantSnowman 15:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.