Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whitney Jones

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn Courcelles 12:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whitney Jones

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Whitney Jones and the following tennis players all fail WP:NTENNIS. All were created by the same editor. Editor created other tennis player articles, but they pass WP:NTENNIS. While some of the tennis players did win $10,000 tournaments, none won a $25,000 tournament. Alizé Lim did play doubles in this year's French Open and lost in the first round, but did so as a wildcard entry. Bgwhite (talk) 23:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Bgwhite (talk) 23:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Delete All - Totally lacking WP:RS coverage to support meeting WP:NTENNIS criteria, or meeting WP:GNG. Happy Editing! — 70.21.24.28 (talk · contribs) _{14:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)}[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Alizé Lim, who meets NTENNIS because she played in the main draw of the French Open. Whether she qualified for the main draw by rating or wild card isn't relevant; the criterion is meant to exclude those who played in the qualifying draw but did not advance to the main draw. Don't know that bundling players with clearly different levels of possible notability was a terribly good idea; there's a procedural keep case to be made. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Alison van Uytvanck played in main draw of Brussels (WTA Premier) and 'S-Hertogenbosch (WTA International) after qualifying. So, she clearly meets NTENNIS. MakeSense64 (talk) 06:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Nudnida Luangnam has played Fed Cup and also played in several main draws of WTA main tour events. Clearly meets NTENNIS. Did you research all the players you are nominating here? MakeSense64 (talk) 07:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Conny Perrin played in main draw Birmingham last month, meets NTENNIS. Galina Fokina played in main draw WTA Indian Open in 2004, meets NTENNIS. Tara Iyer, several main draw appearances in main tour events as a wildcard. MakeSense64 (talk) 07:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WITHDRAW the nominations. Bgwhite (talk) 07:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Note that none of the alleged facts presented here have been added to any of the articles, and they all still lack significant WP:RS coverage of the subjects. — 70.21.24.28 (talk) 16:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The WTA and ITF websites are given and they are perfectly fine reliable sources. The articles are horribly written. The creating editor doesn't appear to familiar with WikiProject Tennis guidelines. While researching tennis for this nomination, I found WikiProject Tennis to have wonderful guidelines and help. Most tennis articles are much better. When submitting the nominations, I only focused on players not winning a title. They all played in the main draw of a WTA tournament. The French open has exception for the top French tennis players. In 2011, the top 30 French Men and the top 25 French Women played. So, under current guidelines, almost every French tennis player is notable. Wimbledon has done the same for English players in years past, but I think they changed things this year. For Prerna Bhambri, she is Indian. All ranked professional Indian players were granted exceptions for the Sunfeast Open, which was played in India. Personally I think it comes down to is that tennis notability guidelines WP:NTENNIS allows any player who has a tournament played in their country to become notable. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be useful to exclude players that have only been in a WTA (or ATP) tour main draw thanks to a wildcard. It's something that can be proposed for WP:NTENNIS. But by current guidelines most players listed here satisfy NTENNIS, even though the articles are poor. MakeSense64 (talk) 14:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Our inclusion list at the wikiproject tennis is far too inclusive for my tastes but is really no different than everyone they let into Hockey and Cricket articles from what I understand. I may have to bring it up as you make a good point about wildcards in India. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing of note. Remember that there are dozens and dozens of professional tennis tournaments that don't qualify for notoriety simply by entering. See the ITF circuit...mens ITF calendar and womens ITF calendar. Only if a player WINS a $25,000 or above ITF professional tourney does that qualify them for wiki inclusion. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 03:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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