Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XLAB ISL Online

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and WP:SALT. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:14, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

XLAB ISL Online

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Twice the article ISL Online was removed for spamming and now a new article appears with a slightly different name. Is this version neutral and notable enough? The Banner talk 18:38, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - Might be able to narrowly scoot past WP:NCORP. Page creator isn't the same as the now-deleted version, so contents are probably different this time. There's a number of articles in the company's native language that appear to be about the software ([1], [2]), along with English articles like this (note that this is a press release, and therefore doesn't entirely justify notability), and even an article in Japanese. Only about 3 of the articles I've found through my own searches or through checking the inline citations already in use are properly in-depth, but the others can be used as minor resources for extra content. Nanophosis (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. <RetroCraft314/> 23:25, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Useful Information Ended up on the article from the Comparison of Remote Desktop Software which I visit often to see if there are any new ones I've missed. I find these pages very useful. I really hope this one and the others from it don't get deleted. If anything lets improve the content not delete articles others find useful.68.119.40.81 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability This product page represents one of the early international Remote Desktop and Support product entrants and is relevant to the history of that industry and product type. There are others similar to it shown on the "Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software" pages, evaluating those companies wiki articles does not demonstrate on average more notability than this article provides. See the company's Wiki page in another region also Slovenian Wikipedia entry on ISL Online. Wdslwalling

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Keep - WP:GNG is followed through. Along with secondary sources being used throughout the article. The WP:CONTN states that if the source material exists, then even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject’s notability. RoseChella —Preceding undated comment added 14:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Article may not be in full potential but I suggest that a reimprove tag be placed on it. CatsloveDogs
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Delete. The article creator has added promotionally-worded statements from dubious sources even since the article was nominated for deletion. Deb (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Currently have improved the article since the article for deletion had been created. RoseChella —Preceding undated comment added 17:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Also may I add, WP:AUD which states that it is clearly notable to be on the Wikipedia because it has following on social media and has many articles about it in different languages and created outside of the US. RoseChella —Preceding undated comment added 01:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RoseChella: You do not get two votes just because you created the article. Your changes to the article added promotional wording and are not therefore an improvement. Also, I've opened a sockpuppet investigation to establish whether you are controlling the SPAs that have contributed to this discussion. Deb (talk) 06:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Deb: There is no promotional content, there is informational information about the company. That is the whole point of Wikipedia, is to better it. If pages keep getting taken down about companies then the information in those articles can't help people understand what that company is.

Comment - I'd also like to point out Deb that taking down or reverting my other changes is in violation of WP:PERSONAL. Comment on the content, not on the contributor. Taking down my R.H Sin article was completely ill-mannered and other people had edited on the article and found that as useful. Along with my Samantha King Holmes article that was up for very short, there was no advertising or promotional content on any of my articles. WP:WIP. RoseChella

"the information in those articles can't help people understand what that company is" - you're talking about advertising the company. Deb (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Taking down other articles due to unambiguous advertising is not relevant for this AfD-procedure. Articles are judged on their own merits, so it is the content of the article what decides its fate, not the author. When you take removal for "unambiguous advertising" as a personal attack, it might be that you lack understanding the concept of an encyclopedia. The Banner talk 16:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent with other remote access and support company product pages

I am unclear why this page has repeatedly been tagged for deletion when no other remote access and support company or product pages have been during this period. I have anonymously contributed to the prior deleted versions and also to this one to a lesser degree, this is a real product and a real company producing a product that is notable and heavily used in many European and Asian markets, recently entering the US market.

Wdslwalling —Preceding undated comment added 14:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the whole workings with all the single purpose accounts, the sockpuppet investigation and the rather promotional editing after the nomination is not making the article more reliable. The Banner talk 15:19, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request speedy closure as delete conform Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RoseChella. The Banner talk 16:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- and salt! Deb (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Salt Article topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. Sock puppet involvement points to motivations beyond the aims of this project, fails WP:SPIP. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Complies with WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. ISL Online is mentioned on many other WIKI pages such as AVG_Technologies and Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software 50.42.46.104 (talk) 17:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no established notability, and Salt (due to repeated re-creation, COI editing and socking). The article's sources consist of press releases, articles in self-published or associated websites, advertorials in trade magazines and PR platforms, blogs and similar low-quality sources. None of these types of sources is sufficient to establish notability. Uninvolved good-faith editors (or non-socking COI editors with a valid transparent disclosure) are welcome to use the draftspace and AfC review process, if additional better sources become available in the future. Currently the article's referencing is tainted with the excessive usage of promotional low-quality "sources". Also, the existance of other articles in similar poor shape is no valid argument to retain this one (see WP:OSE). GermanJoe (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.