Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yan Cabral
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 2. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:20, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is about an MMA fighter who fails WP:NMMA because he has lacks the three top tier fights required for notability and he also lacks significant independent coverage in reliable sources. I actually just want to Redirect to The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 2. I attempted to redirect with a comment saying he didn't meet the criteria for individual notability, but another user disagreed so I thought I'd bring it here for discussion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luis Dutra Jr. for a similar discussion. Papaursa (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 2
and Userfy- Since Cabral does have a top-tier fight, it's possible he could meet WP:NMMA in the near future, but he doesn't have the top-tier bouts for that, or the coverage to pass WP:GNG. Would recommend a redirect for now and for Mulekão to userfy since he seems interested in keeping the page. Luchuslu (talk) 13:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] - Redirect to The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 2 — Has 1 top-tier bout (for DREAM) and has also competed in BJJ, but there's nothing that can make him pass WP:NMMA or WP:GNG. Userfication is also a good solution, as Cabral is a promising fighter and can soon meet WP:NMMA. Poison Whiskey 14:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Since he hasn't fought in 2 years, I'm inclined to think userfication is not the best option. He seems less and less likely to meet the notability criteria as time goes on. Papaursa (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree with your second statement. Cabral has a perfect record, submitted all opponents (including the TUF ones, matches that took place between 2012-2013), is still fairly young, active and, IMO, currently stands as one of the top Brazilian prospects outside UFC and Bellator. He surely tends to compete in the major leagues. On a quick search, i found this article from Globo.com (Portuguese language) which claims that he was called to fight against Paulo Thiago at UFC Rio II, but due to contractual problems with DREAM he couldn't fight. Poison Whiskey 21:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Since he hasn't fought in 2 years, I'm inclined to think userfication is not the best option. He seems less and less likely to meet the notability criteria as time goes on. Papaursa (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with Poison Whiskey, his career isn't over by any stretch. Plus, he is still active in BJJ tournaments around the world, so there's a chance he could pass WP:WPMA/N with a major win, like in the Copa Podio Middleweight Grand Prix he's rumored to be competing in later this year. Userfying would probably be best. Luchuslu (talk) 21:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I couldn't find any record of him as an adult at the IBJJF world championships, but I did find he finished 2nd at the European championships in 2007. If someone could provide some info showing another black belt adult medalist placement at a continental or world championship, I'd change my vote to Keep. The article really makes no mention of his BJJ tournament success. I've already added the result I found to his article. Papaursa (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying he's done enough to earn a keep based on his BJJ credentials (a few wins and places in second-tier tournaments, ADCC trials etc.) but there's enough of a chance he'll pass either WP:WPMA/N or WP:NMMA in the future to userfy, since he apparently was offered what would have been his second top-tier bout and he still is active in BJJ. Luchuslu (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no problem with Userfy, but doesn't that remove the article from mainspace? With a redirect the existing article is still available with a simple revert of the redirect. Papaursa (talk) 21:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- According with the userfication process the redirect must be deleted. But now that i checked the edit history, i don't know if userfication would be good. There are already many substantial edits made by various users. I think userfication would be a good alternate solution only if the creator asks (i also don't know if an article can be userfied into a non-creator's userspace). Poison Whiskey 13:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, I vote just a redirect. Luchuslu (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- According with the userfication process the redirect must be deleted. But now that i checked the edit history, i don't know if userfication would be good. There are already many substantial edits made by various users. I think userfication would be a good alternate solution only if the creator asks (i also don't know if an article can be userfied into a non-creator's userspace). Poison Whiskey 13:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no problem with Userfy, but doesn't that remove the article from mainspace? With a redirect the existing article is still available with a simple revert of the redirect. Papaursa (talk) 21:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying he's done enough to earn a keep based on his BJJ credentials (a few wins and places in second-tier tournaments, ADCC trials etc.) but there's enough of a chance he'll pass either WP:WPMA/N or WP:NMMA in the future to userfy, since he apparently was offered what would have been his second top-tier bout and he still is active in BJJ. Luchuslu (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I couldn't find any record of him as an adult at the IBJJF world championships, but I did find he finished 2nd at the European championships in 2007. If someone could provide some info showing another black belt adult medalist placement at a continental or world championship, I'd change my vote to Keep. The article really makes no mention of his BJJ tournament success. I've already added the result I found to his article. Papaursa (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with Poison Whiskey, his career isn't over by any stretch. Plus, he is still active in BJJ tournaments around the world, so there's a chance he could pass WP:WPMA/N with a major win, like in the Copa Podio Middleweight Grand Prix he's rumored to be competing in later this year. Userfying would probably be best. Luchuslu (talk) 21:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.