Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yannis Xirotiris

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Even after two relists, no good sources have cropped up. Nonetheless, there is clearly no consensus for deletion (nor for keeping). No prejudice against re-nomination after a few months if no good sources can be found. Randykitty (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yannis Xirotiris

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Nothing indicates they meet any of the points at WP:NACADEMIC. I have also been unable to find any substantial independent coverage of the person in reliable sources. --IWI (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. --IWI (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Its only reference is a dead link. –Cupper52^Discuss! 12:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The first of two sources marked as external links is an obituary in a major newspaper, Kathimerini. It appears to be independent and written by the newspaper, not a paid obituary from a family member. So it should contribute towards WP:GNG, but we need more than one in-depth source, and the other two currently in the article (its footnote and other extlink) don't look as promising. It looks likely that Greek-speaking editors would be necessary to find other sources, if they exist. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on current sources, it's not notable. Would probably be hard to find anything from that time frame online. Webmaster862 (talk) 03:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I was the editor who added the aforementioned external links to the article. Beside those sources I didn't find (at least in the net) in-depth coverage; only a couple of in passing references on him, like this one in French ([1], p. 114) by Prof. Emeritus of the Thessaloniki Univeristy Alesxandros Dagkas and Stavros Kamaroudis, Senior lecturer at the University of Western Macedonia. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Amanda (aka DQ) 12:07, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is some notability here as per comments from the users above. Mightberightorwrong (talk) 14:23, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My searches didn't turn up significant academic writings to show notability nor did I find significant independent coverage to show WP:GNG is met. However, I'll admit my searches were limited to being in English and via computer. If someone finds coverage to show notability please ping me. Papaursa (talk) 00:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Xirotiris's Greek Wikipedia article contains more information on him, and points to a number of roles which may well demonstrate his notability: among them his directorship of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, and his chairing of the sociology department at the University of Macedonia. These may well meet the fifth and sixth criteria of the notability standards for academics. I suspect his notability would be clear if not for the language and transliteration barriers. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The Greek site has more information but even less references!Delete unless WP:Hey Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One independent obituary despite the fact that he must have formally retired in the 1960s. If Google Translate is to be believed the obituary calls him a "pioneer educator". It also mentions many books -- the likelihood that not one of them generated any reviews extremely low. The fact that they are not in the article and we are all too inexpert to find them does not reflect on the subject's notability. If, per Usernameunique, he held a chair or a top-level academic administrator post, either of those would meet WP:PROF. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources seem to me to indicate notable scholar - long serving head of noted Experimental School of Thessaloniki pand enough publications (https://search.lib.auth.gr/Author/Home?author=%CE%9E%CE%B7%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%84%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%82%2C+%CE%99%CF%89%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82%2C ). Have added some pubs and tidied (I think) a ref. Seems good to keep.... national obit. (Msrasnw (talk) 16:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Delete per WP:OUTCOMES. Unless someone has written a book or filmed a documentary about a principal or superintendent, we have always deleted such articles. I was bullied online for even creating an article about a school superintendent, and I don't want to re-litigate such a very clear and longstanding consensus. If we allow this article in, it would open a floodgate for every school educator with a doctorate to get their own Wikipedia article. No, thank you. Bearian (talk) 20:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to @Bearian:: Dear Bearian, My understanding is that he was head of a university department of education and that he - his department - was pushing for a particular type of education so was not a school educator.Best wishes, (Msrasnw (talk) 21:24, 23 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Dear Bearian... sorry for my mistake... I think we could do with a source for his professorship at the Graduate School of Industrial Studies of Thessaloniki.. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 17:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

@Msrasnw: He was principal of an elementary and secondary education school attached to the University of Thessaloniki. Afterwards he became professor at the Graduate School of Industrial Studies of Thessaloniki, an independent faculty of business studies that later became the core of what is now the University of Macedonia, Thessaloniki [2]. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 14:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chalk19: Dear Chalk, thanks for this and clarrifying think - pointing out my error - lack of full understanding. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 16:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Is this "The Experimental School of the University of Thessaloniki, as its title states, is a distinctive school which is affiliated with the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki. The Supervisor of the school, a Professor of the Department of Education of the Faculty of Philosophy, was appointed by the Senate of the University" from here (https://pspth.edu.gr/about_pspth/) helpful - does it mean he was a Professor of the Department of Education at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki when he was there? (Msrasnw (talk) 17:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Dear Msrasnw, there is a Supervisor ("Επόπτης" in Greek) and there is a Principal ("Διευθυντής") of the school. The former is member of the faculty; the latter is a secondary education teacher. So there is some confusion to this point and a misconception: Xirotyris didn't succeed professor Delmouzos (who was the founder and first Supervisor, and a prominent 20th century Greek educator and reformer) but was appointed Principal at the instigation of Alexandros Delmouzos ("με παρότρυνση του Αλέξανδρου Δελμούζου", in the Kathimerini obituary listed as an extarnal link). ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 07:12, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chalk19... and best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 09:54, 25 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Keep per obituary, emeritus professor and founder of a school seems notable to me and has independent sources (obituary). --hroest 17:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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