Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoko Osaka

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Any given AfD isn't going to be able to resolve questions about what our SNGs mean (and believe me I've wanted them to at times). As such I can only evaluate the consensus of this discussion which is that there are not sources demonstrating notability in English or Japanese. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoko Osaka

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I originally PRODed the article with reason: "The subject fails WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG." It was dePRODed by BenjaminSmithChef, saying: "person is notable for playing a role in co-creating many significant, well-known works". However, under NARTIST #3, this only counts if "such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." In addition, none of the current sources meet GNG, nor could I find any that do. MrClog (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. MrClog (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. MrClog (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. MrClog (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I removed five sources that were either wiki-style or did not mention the subject. What is left is almost nothing, and an English search does not find more. A Japanese search might, but English is all I have in my toolset.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If she did create the sounds for Crystalis, Eight Man, and Guerrilla War then she passes NARTIST(3). I opposed closing this as delete unless someone with Japanese fluency can do a proper evaluation of those sources. If a WP:RS establishes she did create the sound for these games, then the article is a !keep.--Theredproject (talk) 18:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Theredproject: no, the sounds would not meet NARTIST #3. Note that it says: "In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." There have been no books, films or television series that discussed the sounds of these games, as far as I know. Also, I did search for sources using her Japanese name, but had 0 hits on Google News and no SIGCOV on the regular Google search. While I'm not a fluent Japanese speaker, I do have tools to translate articles I find online in English (and that way I have been able to find foreign language sources before). --MrClog (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC); edited 19:13, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- MrClog it seems we have different understandings of the grammar of that second sentence in the NARTIST(3). I understand that to mean that the co-created work must also meet notability standards (e.g. is the "primary subject" of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews") which these works have, no? While one of those games only has 3 references, the other two have 14 and 18. It seems like you are interpreting this as meaning that the co-creator's role in the co-creation must itself be the "primary subject" of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" -- is that correct? I understand there is a secondary question of having enough WP:RS to verify her, which I still think needs to be conducted by someone who can read Japanese. But right now I want to try to 100% good faith get to the bottom of this question re: NARTIST(3). DGG, Megalibrarygirl adn Rosiestep I'm wondering if one of you can offer some guidance here on this question?--Theredproject (talk) 01:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  @Theredproject: I indeed interpreted "suck work" refers to her sounds for the games, not the games themselves. --MrClog (talk) 08:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  
  @Theredproject: I see where you're coming from with your interpretation of NARTIST(3), but I also see where the others are coming from where they point out that there is a lack of sources. The problem with the sources is the biggest issue, IMO. It's frustrating to work on some of these video game articles because while people are credited informally for their work sometimes for their work on games, there's few RS attributing their contributions. It might be worth contacting someone in WikiProject:Video Games, though the Japanese search by Jovanmilic97 seems to show that she's not properly credited in Japanese, either. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Megalibrarygirl: Yup, I concur re the WP:BASIC questions that Jovanmilic97 has put forward. I agree that if better sources can't be found, then it doesn't pass. What I want to resolve (almost separate from the issue of the article itself) is the differing interpretation of NARTIST(3): does "such work" refer to the co-created work itself, or the co-creator's role in the co-created work? I have been active at AfD for a number of years, and have only seen NARTIST(3) interpreted where "such work" is the the co-created work. This would mean, essentially, that the co-created work would need to be notable (and you would need WP:RS that VERIFY the co-creator's role, which we don't have here.) TX. --Theredproject (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Even when searching in Japanese (and it is telling that there is no jp wiki article of her), there is little to none to be found in terms of any coverage. It's an impressive list of works in the article, but if it's all unverified, I can't give it a WP:NARTIST pass. Hence we have a a WP:BASIC failure, since there is no significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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