Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yosef Chaim Shwekey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as the level and reliability of coverage in secondary sources is not of the standard we usually demand from biographical articles. Feel free to request userfication or incubation either from me or another administrator. Skomorokh 17:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yosef Chaim Shwekey

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Does not assert notability, no references provided. Should have been CSD'ed as unremarkle. Yossiea ^(talk) 16:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- Yossiea ^(talk) 16:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I could not find any third-party sources. Демоны Врубеля/Vrubel's Demons (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete non-notable individual, no sig coverage from reliable third parties. JBsupreme (talk) 18:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The HE WP is tolerating the article of this relatively new singer. His album is apparently distributed in 'Galpaz' which is the Haredi version of Tower Records. --Shuki (talk) 18:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is a sensation in the jewish music world. Nerguy (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Probably delete. This article comes by translation, word-for-word, from Hebrew Wikipedia (see interwiki link) by user "Bagel" who is not a native English speaker. I could clean up the translation but there's no point. Regardless of how popular Jewish editors think he is, he's not achieved the WP:MUSIC standard. I'd venture that his brother Yaakov Shwekey actually is notable by this standard. Yosef is just not there yet. Aside from the one album he's released, the other info in the bio is unreferenced, and we don't like to keep unreferenced BLPs. Frankly I'm surprised that Hebrew Wikipedia has it, since their standards are usually stricter. Chutznik (talk) 02:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, kur ykh 07:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep His music was reviewed at Jewish Music Review, Life Of Rubin, Jewish Music Report, Jewish Insight.com. Check also two articles at the website matzav.com. The search in Hebrew could bring up further information. --Vejvančický (talk) 10:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Could someone look at following links, please? [1], [2], [3]. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Userfy. First off, in response to Shuki, the Hebrew wikipedia, from what I can tell, is not big on requiring sources and often becomes local-centric. For now, YCS has one album out on a sub-culture label. The links that Vejvančický posted do talk about the album and about him but are not really high on the list of WP:RS. If Vejvančický wants he can try rewriting the article based only on those sources but even then I don't think he passes WP:MUSIC. Joe407 (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The question of what are the sources paying attention to him is a real one. The reviews and links mentioned here are all blogs or close to it (news aggregators etc). As a comparison I looked at another religious, Jewish musician who has only released one album and may have gotten a boost from a more famous brother. After searching around even just a little bit I was able to find four major interviews with 3 major Israeli newspapers who definitely pass WP:RS - Maariv, Yediot & Hatofeh. In light of that, I translated the article in the Hebrew WP for Yonatan Razel (see sources on the talk page).

In contrast, the article for Yosef Chaim does not make the official cut as outlined in WP:MUSIC and IMHO he does not yet need an article here. Joe407 (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It seems that in the rather insular world of "shiney shoe music" (monikker of Hassidic pop), this Shwekey shines. His album is fairly popular, and his antics appear periodically in the gossip columns of Hassidic papers and websites (see, for example, http://www.kikarhashabat.co.il/19360.html) --Ravpapa (talk) 13:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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