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Open-source video games by genre

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 22:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories are non-defining intersections of their various genres and Category:Open-source video games. Each should be upmerged as appropriate. Izno (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. @Izno, please revise the nomination to set out exactly what merges are proposed for each of the nominated categories. The nomination as it stands is too vague to be considered. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I would have thought "merge to their respective genre parents" would be sufficient. I have little interest in enumerating each genre category, and naturally each article should end up in Category:open-source video games as well. Is that what you wanted clarified? --Izno (talk) 11:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess there are some articles like 0 A.D. (video game) which are in another child category of Category:Strategy video games that I don't think anyone would like to see in that category as that would be an unnecessary parent. I'm not sure if there's anything practical to be done about that.... From what I recall seeing, I am somewhat doubtful all of the articles in this batch are like that. --Izno (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    (Which I suppose is another reason to eliminate this set of categories. --Izno (talk) 14:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]
  • Oppose for Category:Open-source roguelikes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Open source is a defining characteristic for this class of games and open source is how the genre got started. Open source status yields two completely different modding communities for closed and open source. Open source status was central to the development and evolution of many of theses game; witness the Moria/Angband family of games. I guess you are not a modder? --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't judge the utility of a category by whether a certain non-mainstream community treats the topic but by how reliable sources do. (Whether I am a modder is irrelevant, to boot.) Even in the case that open-source is important to that genre, we still end up in a WP:SMALLCAT situation and the "odd-man out" kind of category, which will just lead us to having this set of parallel categories again. These games will retain their categories as "open-source" and as "roguelikes" at the end of the day if these are merged, so it is a trivial intersection using one or another of the tools for such (WP:Petscan, Special:Search) to identify. For some context about your claim, List of roguelikes does not include open/closed status. --Izno (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies for the modder comment--I think expertise is invaluable in judging categories, but should not have singled you out. Nonetheless, (1) the "royal we", (2) disparaging a gaming community, (3) claiming reliable sources without naming them, (4) no this is not a small cat situation as having few subcats under a cat is just fine, (5) "odd-man out"??, (6) worrying about a maintenance hassle, (7) substituting search engines for a gap in our categories, and (8) claiming an incomplete list as some kind of evidence--all of these are weak, non-policy based arguments for deletion that do not add up to a strong argument for deletion. I will retain my oppose for this category of games. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 05:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The list of roguelike table can be fixed to include that status, but again, the main roguelike page had plenty of details of why open-source was key to the genre and why there are so many variants. --Masem (t) 00:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as Izno states, the cross section itself is not a defining trait in each scenario. Sergecross73 msg me 02:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all per nom. Superfluous cross-section that could be well handled with two separate categories. IceWelder [✉] 05:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support All, per nom. Not a defining trait. -- ferret (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support expect for Category:Open-source roguelikes which should be kept, as I do have to agree with Mark Viking - this is actually a well-defined cross-categorized given the history of roguelikes. None of the other listed cats have any similar type of vector. Another way to put this, if we are tracking the history of video games, roguelikes and their origins from open-source projects are key, where as taking a cat like "Open-source shooter games", there's no historical factor there, simply that as shooter games gained popularity, that people made open-source variants. That's where there's weak cross-categorization. --Masem (t) 00:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all per nom. Even Category:Open-source roguelikes, which doesn't have that many games to really qualify (as of today anyway). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Open-source 3D video games

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 22:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is a trivial intersection of Category:Open-source video games and long-time deleted Category:3D video games. Upmerge to the parent and delete. Izno (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Macedonian Front

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. bibliomaniac15 03:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: Consistency with main article's name (Macedonian front) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sequel films by decade

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Similar to this related discussion for video game sequel by year categories, prequel/sequel films by year is an odd and unnecessary cross-categorization with a limited scope makes for a tree of mostly WP:SMALLCAT failures. IceWelder [✉] 21:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The year categories are recent but not sure what you mean by "refusal to discussion"; there is no mention of "sequel" on their talk page. The decade categories were created a few years ago by other editors. Peter James (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as per above. TheDeviantPro (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now; needs more discussion. The decade categories have existed for a few years; the year categories were created recently. They are sometimes more defining than the nationality of the companies that made the films. If there are too few articles for each category (there are smaller categories for companies by year, location or industry, and articles related to cities - is there a WikiProject guideline somewhere?), could the year categories be merged to the decade categories? Also instead of deletion would they be better merged so all articles are in Category:Sequel films? If 1500 articles is too many and articles are moved to subcategories, it should also be by year. Peter James (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video game franchises by year of disestablishment

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Serves zero purpose. Limited scope and not something I see being useful for finding anything. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 20:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Namcokid47! soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cathedrals in West Bengal

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles in this category. There is no need to merge to the parent categories, because the articles are already in a denominational subcategory of Category:Cathedrals in India and they are also in Category:Churches in Kolkata. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chosun Broadcasting Company television programmes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 03:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2D, the article on the network is TV Chosun. St3095 (?) 15:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sequel video games by decade

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete all Timrollpickering (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per this discussion at WT:VG.An unnecessary and non-defining cross-categoriation with a limited scope. IceWelder [✉] 14:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles with WikiMiniAtlas displaying incorrectly: not displayed on top of page

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 5#Category:Articles with WikiMiniAtlas displaying incorrectly: not displayed on top of page

Category:Fontaines D.C. songs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contains 5 redirects and no articles No help for readers. Richhoncho (talk) 14:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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TV networks

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_6#Newspapers_by_country renamed Category:Austrian newspapers to Category:Newspapers published in Austria (see its exemplary rationale). Moreover these are all subcats of eg Category:Mass media in Austria, which was likewise renamed to use 'in' via Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_10#Media_by_country. A similar rename for magazines was endorsed via Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_15#Magazines_by_country.
Further, Fooian television was renamed to 'Television in foo' in 2008: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_December_10#Category:Norwegian_television. Oculi (talk) 11:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
List of 64 'TV networks' categories
  1. Category:Albanian television networks to Category:Television networks in Albania per Category:Television in Albania
  2. Category:American cable network groups to Category:Cable network groups in the United States
  3. Category:American shopping networks to Category:Shopping networks in the United States
  4. Category:American television networks to Category:Television networks in the United States per Category:Television in the United States
  5. Category:Argentine television networks to Category:Television networks in Argentina per Category:Television in Argentina
  6. Category:Armenian television networks to Category:Television networks in Armenia per Category:Television in Armenia
  7. Category:Australian television networks to Category:Television networks in Australia per Category:Television in Australia
  8. Category:Azerbaijani television networks to Category:Television networks in Azerbaijan per Category:Television in Azerbaijan
  9. Category:Belgian television networks to Category:Television networks in Belgium per Category:Television in Belgium
  10. Category:Brazilian television networks to Category:Television networks in Brazil per Category:Television in Brazil
  11. Category:British television networks to Category:Television networks in the United Kingdom per Category:Television in the United Kingdom
  12. Category:Brunei television networks to Category:Television networks in Brunei per Category:Television in Brunei
  13. Category:Bulgarian television networks to Category:Television networks in Bulgaria per Category:Television in Bulgaria
  14. Category:Canadian analog cable television networks to Category:Analog cable television networks in Canada
  15. Category:Canadian broadcast television networks to Category:Broadcast television networks in Canada
  16. Category:Canadian digital cable television networks to Category:Digital cable television networks in Canada
  17. Category:Canadian television networks to Category:Television networks in Canada per Category:Television in Canada
  18. Category:Chilean television networks to Category:Television networks in Chile per Category:Television in Chile
  19. Category:Chinese television networks to Category:Television networks in China per Category:Television in China
  20. Category:Colombian television networks to Category:Television networks in Colombia per Category:Television in Colombia
  21. Category:Croatian television networks to Category:Television networks in Croatia per Category:Television in Croatia
  22. Category:Defunct Albanian television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in Albania
  23. Category:Defunct American television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in the United States
  24. Category:Defunct Philippine television networks to Category:Defunct television networks in Defunct Philippine
  25. Category:Defunct Venezuelan television channels and networks to Category:Defunct television channels and networks in Venezuela
  26. Category:French television networks to Category:Television networks in France per Category:Television in France
  27. Category:German television networks to Category:Television networks in Germany per Category:Television in Germany
  28. Category:Greek television networks to Category:Television networks in Greece per Category:Television in Greece
  29. Category:Hungarian television networks to Category:Television networks in Hungary per Category:Television in Hungary
  30. Category:Indian television networks to Category:Television networks in India per Category:Television in India
  31. Category:Iraqi television networks to Category:Television networks in Iraq per Category:Television in Iraq
  32. Category:Irish television networks to Category:Television networks in Ireland per Category:Television in Ireland
  33. Category:Italian television networks to Category:Television networks in Italy per Category:Television in Italy
  34. Category:Japanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Japan per Category:Television in Japan
  35. Category:Lebanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Lebanon per Category:Television in Lebanon
  36. Category:Libyan television networks to Category:Television networks in Libya per Category:Television in Libya
  37. Category:Luxembourg television networks to Category:Television networks in Luxembourg per Category:Television in Luxembourg
  38. Category:Mexican television networks to Category:Television networks in Mexico per Category:Television in Mexico
  39. Category:Moldovan broadcast television networks to Category:Broadcast television networks in Moldova
  40. Category:Moldovan television networks to Category:Television networks in Moldova per Category:Television in Moldova
  41. Category:Nauruan television networks to Category:Television networks in Nauru per Category:Television in Nauru
  42. Category:New Zealand television networks to Category:Television networks in New Zealand per Category:Television in New Zealand
  43. Category:Norwegian television networks to Category:Television networks in Norway per Category:Television in Norway
  44. Category:Pakistani television networks to Category:Television networks in Pakistan per Category:Television in Pakistan
  45. Category:Peruvian television networks to Category:Television networks in Peru per Category:Television in Peru
  46. Category:Philippine television networks to Category:Television networks in the Philippines per Category:Television in the Philippines
  47. Category:Polish television networks to Category:Television networks in Poland per Category:Television in Poland
  48. Category:Portuguese television networks to Category:Television networks in Portugal per Category:Television in Portugal
  49. Category:Qatari television networks to Category:Television networks in Qatar per Category:Television in Qatar
  50. Category:Quebec television networks to Category:Television networks in Quebec
  51. Category:Romanian television networks to Category:Television networks in Romania per Category:Television in Romania
  52. Category:Russian television networks to Category:Television networks in Russia per Category:Television in Russia
  53. Category:South Korean television networks to Category:Television networks in South Korea per Category:Television in South Korea
  54. Category:Spanish television networks to Category:Television networks in Spain per Category:Television in Spain
  55. Category:Swedish television networks to Category:Television networks in Sweden per Category:Television in Sweden
  56. Category:Swiss television networks to Category:Television networks in Switzerland per Category:Television in Switzerland
  57. Category:Taiwanese television networks to Category:Television networks in Taiwan per Category:Television in Taiwan
  58. Category:Turkish television networks to Category:Television networks in Turkey per Category:Television in Turkey
  59. Category:Ukrainian television networks to Category:Television networks in Ukraine per Category:Television in Ukraine
  60. Category:Uruguayan television networks to Category:Television networks in Uruguay per Category:Television in Uruguay
  61. Category:Venezuelan television networks to Category:Television networks in Venezuela per Category:Television in Venezuela
  62. Category:Vietnamese television networks to Category:Television networks in Vietnam per Category:Television in Vietnam
  63. Category:Canadian television networks by genre to Category:Television networks in Canada by genre
  64. Category:Moldovan television networks by genre to Category:Television networks in Moldova by genre
Discussion for TV networks
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Associations

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The result of the discussion was: disperse/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
move Category:Professional associations to Category:Non-profit organizations by type
move other subcategories to Category:Non-profit organizations by subject
disperse the handful of articles between Category:Non-profit organizations and Category:Non-profit organizations by subject
Nominator's rationale: in the the previous discussion, there was sort of consensus that Category:Associations is merely a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME, but nothing happened yet because there is a whole set of subcategories that needs to be addressed simultaneously. So here is the full proposal, basically to merge everything to Non-profit organizations.
@Jfhutson, RevelationDirect, Rathfelder, and Bibliomaniac15: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Clicking through these, most have "Category:Professional associations based in X" and a few loose articles, all of which can be described as non-profit. (UK's is a little different, but still non-profit.) There is likely some further diffusion of many of these loose articles but this nom gets rid of a duplicate and vague category tree based on WP:SHAREDNAME. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes please. Thank you for this. I suspect there will be a bit more sweeping up to do. Are we sure that none of these professional associations make profits? Rathfelder (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Oculi (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- The whole concept of "non-profit" is a US tax category, whose use is inappropriate elsewhere. I agree the present category is unhelpful and should go, but I object to the use of an American tax category. In checking content, I found the majority had nothing in them but a professional associations subcat, which should be parented by a new Category:Professional Associations by continent. Spain has an association of municipalities, which will be an emanation of local government; UK has a mishmash with little coherence and could have a lot more content; the Russian case fits the nom but it sounds political. I think the best solution is recategorize contents then delete when empty. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Like Peterkingiron I dont much like non-profit as a basis for categories. I recall discussions about Non-government organizations, which we decided should go because it was so difficult to define as a negative. I'd be perfectly happy with the professional associations, which is the main content, sitting directly in the categories of organizations based in Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think we will need a different approach in countries where Non-profit organization is a verifiable legal status from those where it is just a negative description. Rathfelder (talk) 09:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • After some hesitation I think I will agree with a future merge nomination of non-profit organizations. After all, it contains almost all sorts of organizations but companies. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nation's Little Sisters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic. Per the article, these are informal titles that refer to "a young female [or male] celebrity in her [or his] late teens to early twenties... [who is] cute, bright, and innocent." ƏXPLICIT 02:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:AAA Hall of Fame

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
The AAA Hall of Fame was founded in 2007 and recognizes professional wrestlers in Mexico, where there is a distinct style. The biography articles in this category generally mention the award in passing, often with other awards, so it doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
I thought of American Automobile Association. To save time for other editors, the wrestling organization is at Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:German Ice Hockey Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
The German Ice Hockey Hall of Fame was founded in 1988 and mentions to in on the web are mostly Wikipedia and mirror sites. The biography articles in this category generally are split between not mentioning the the award at all or mentioning it in passing with other halls of fame so it doesn't seem defining. (A few do mention it in intro but that appears to be due to one enthusiastic editor.) The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
I'll look at where I can do some small groups. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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