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Category:Regional Sports players

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Regional Sports players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. Article for football team does not exist. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and SMALLCAT. Giant Snowman 11:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Atletico Arabia SC players

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Atletico Arabia SC players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. Article for football team does not exist. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and SMALLCAT. Giant Snowman 11:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Al Quwwat Al Musallaha Club players

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Al Quwwat Al Musallaha Club players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. Article for football team does not exist. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and SMALLCAT. Giant Snowman 11:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Quattro FC players

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Quattro FC players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. Article for football team does not exist. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and SMALLCAT. Giant Snowman 11:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kero Kero Bonito

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The result of the discussion was: delete following many precedents. The albums and songs sub-cats automatically link to each other and the main article, and I have added links to them from Template:Kero Kero Bonito, and to the Commons category from the main article. – Fayenatic London 08:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Kero Kero Bonito (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category per WP:OCEPON as all content are already in appropriate subcategories that sufficiently link to one another. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Without a shared parent, it would be impossible for a reader to navigate from Category:Kero Kero Bonito albums to Category:Kero Kero Bonito songs or vice versa, and these are undoubtedly very closely related cats. Colin M (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would suggest every musical act with an albums and songs category should have an eponymous parent category. Regardless, those two categories do interlink already as noted. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 03:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the templates in the subcategories ensure that there is a direct link between them. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Leeds Carnegie/Yorkshire Jets players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. ✗plicit 02:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Leeds Carnegie/Yorkshire Jets players to Category:Yorkshire Jets players

Nominator's rationale: Don't need both historic team names, we generally use the most recent team names i.e. the article is Yorkshire Jets not Leeds Carnegie/Yorkshire Jets Joseph2302 (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no "normal" on Wikipedia. And who exactly is "we" ? It makes no sense to have Leeds Carnegie players in a category for the name of the team they never played for. There is tonnes of work needed to be done on netball articles. Why are you wasting time on this. (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's the standard for categories on most sports articles. And trying to make things sensible and easy to find is useful, and I came across this when I was trying to categorise some netballers. So stop your snarky "waste of time" nonsense. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And it makes no sense to have categories that don't match article titles, which is what you are supporting. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - this is indeed unusual. I would prefer the set-up below, with Category:Yorkshire Jets players containing the historical Category:Leeds Carnegie players. Oculi (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with Oculi's suggestion. User:Djln Djln (talk) 14:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose this. Djin seems intent on setting up netball categories this way, when it's inconsistent with all other sports categories, which use one category per team (regardless of how many names the team has had). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not related to the CfD.

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Comment Again, I ask the question. Have you seriously nothing better to do then mess around with categories. Hundreds of netball articles need improving, yet you are wasting time on this. User:Djln Djln (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you are seeking for help on improving netball articles it would probably be more effective if you'd ask it in a nicer way. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also they obviously haven't noticed that I periodically create netball articles anyway... Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marcocapelle, thanks for your input. I am not going around begging for help with netball articles. Just wish that those that do help would be more constructive. Joseph, I have noticed that you have contributed to netball articles. However your edits have been little more than stubs. You seem more concerned quantity then quality. User:Djln Djln (talk) 13:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Start-class articles are better than no articles, as it gives readers the opportunity to find some information on the players/events in question (rather than nothing at all). I'm sorry that my attempts to improve the encyclopedia don't meet with your "expectations" of what should be done, but stop constantly belittling my contributions instead of actually focusing on the issue at hand, which is categorisation being done contrary to all other sports articles, which makes it difficult to properly categorise articles. If you don't stop these attacks on me and my contributions, this will end up at WP:ANI. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph, stop been so sensitive. Plus you need to stop issuing threats on my talk page. It's not exactly civil !! If you what to survive on Wikipedia you'll need to learn to take a bit of constructive criticism. I disagree with your view that "Start-class articles are better than no articles". You are effectively passing the buck and just creating more work for other editors. Regarding categorization, I think your suggestions are misleading and inaccurate. It is misleading and confusing to have a player in a category named after a team they never played for. Just because some other sports categories have done it, doesn't make it a universal rule. I think Oculi made a reasonable compromise suggestion but you even oppose that. I urge you to reconsider in the spirit of the collaboration you mentioned earlier. User:Djln Djln (talk) 14:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If editors want to disagree with my CfD proposal, that is fine. But calling my editing a waste of time simply because you don't like it is not acceptable. stop been so sensitive. First, it's being, not been. And secondly, stop being so aggressive. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/merge per nom (target is a Cat-redirect). The practice is that renamed clubs have categories according to their current name, but needs a headnote recording the old name and that the category includes those who played before it became Yorkshire Jets. This is standard practice for renamed club (and school alumni) categories. There should probably be a cat-redirect for Leeds Carnegie, to prevent it being re-created and populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as nominated, and disambiguate Category:Leeds Carnegie players which currently redirects to Category:Leeds Tykes players. – Fayenatic London 20:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hurricanes (netball) players

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 02:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Hurricanes (netball) players to Category:Surrey Storm players

Nominator's rationale: Same team with different names at different time in their history. We generally have one category for all team names where a team has had multiple names. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep See above. Same answer applies. User:Djln:Djln Djln (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And the above made no sense so neither does this. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there was never a team called "Hurricanes", they were the "London Hurricanes" and "Brunel Hurricanes". If you insist/ there is consensus on splitting players by the team name at the time, then Hurricanes should be sub-split into two separate categories. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the present set-up is perfect, with Category:Surrey Storm players containing the subcat Category:Hurricanes (netball) players. It is not satisfactory to categorise someone via a team name not mentioned in their article, and cumbersome to go through all articles inserting 'Hurricanes, now known as Surrey Storm'. Oculi (talk) 21:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The precedent is that renamed clubs/teams are located at their present name. I have added a short headnote to the target, but if this CfD is successful this needs to be amended to refer to the old names of London Hurricanes and Brunel Hurricanes (with dates). I note that most of the teams appear to be university teams. Is this a professional team? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These teams are not university teams. They maybe based at universities or sponsored by universities but the players are not students. User:Djln:Djln Djln (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and purge. There are precedents for some US sports teams where there are huge numbers of players with articles, making a split more useful, but this category has only 6 members. Of these, Ama Agbeze and Louisa Brownfield played for London Hurricanes, Chioma Matthews and Sonia Mkoloma for Brunel Hurricanes, and there is no such information about Kadeen Corbin or Abby Sargent in their articles or citations, so I suggest removing them anyway. – Fayenatic London 20:27, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century American merchants

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:20th-century American merchants to Category:20th-century American businesspeople

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article. Merchant was not a term generally used in the 20th century. Rathfelder (talk) 13:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as the language has changed and other potential 20th century merchants are all in businesspeople categories.--Mvqr (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American football defensive guards

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The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:American football defensive guards to Category:American football defensive tackles

Nominator's rationale: The single entry here is Gustave Benthin who is a nose guard which is another name for Defensive tackle. Mvqr (talk) 12:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed renaming of two newly created categories on state constititional officer elections by state

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The result of the discussion was: nomination moved to WP:CFDS: [1] (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change to a better naming scheme I will be using for all subsequently-created similar categories. State name first.

Proposed move of Category:State constitutional officer elections in California‎ to Category:California state consitutional officer elections
Proposed move of Category:State constitutional officer elections in Illinois to Category:Illinois state consitutional officer elections

SecretName101 (talk) 11:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SecretName101: these nominations may be moved to the speedy renaming platform because WP:C2E is applicable. In any case you need to tag the category pages (see WP:CFD for info). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Health clubs by country

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The result of the discussion was: merge to "Medical and health organizations based in X" rather than health care companies. – Fayenatic London 20:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC) – Fayenatic London 20:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Health clubs by country to Category:Health clubs
Propose merging Category:Health clubs in Canada to Category:Health clubs and Category:Health care companies of Canada
Propose merging Category:Health clubs in Hong Kong to Category:Health clubs and Category:Health care companies of Hong Kong
Propose merging Category:Health clubs in India to Category:Health clubs and Category:Health care companies of India
Propose merging Category:Health clubs in Ireland to Category:Health clubs and Category:Health care companies of Ireland
Propose merging Category:Health clubs in Nigeria to Category:Health clubs and Category:Health care companies of Nigeria

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Once the listed subcategories are merged, there will be an unnecessary category layer since only 3 subcategories will remain. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 12:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Oppose most -- They are not about health (i.e. medical) care but about fitness (gyms, etc.): see the main article Health club, also gym. The possible exception is a Nigeria case which is called a clinic, which may be miscategorised. Despite the name, they should probably not be parented to health care, but to sport. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge somewhere, Peterkingiron has a point in the sense that "health care companies" are not a really appropriate merge target. The parent categories of these, such as Category:Medical and health organizations based in Nigeria seem to be better merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Outsider literature

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Here are the diffs [2] in case anyone wants to add more "see also" links between these works/ writers (as at William_McGonagall#See_also). – Fayenatic London 10:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Outsider literature (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category for a main article, Outsider literature, which has since been deleted. 9³ (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in this category. The first article happens to refer to the subject as an outsider writer, but after that very few articles mention this at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nervo-Trajanic Dynasty

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 10:59, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Nervo-Trajanic Dynasty to Category:Nervo–Trajanic dynasty

Nominator's rationale: Proper format. ★Trekker (talk) 04:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I would have said that a hyphen is more appropriate here, as we're combining adjectives to modify "Dynasty". I can see the argument for an n-dash, but a hyphen seems better to me when we're creating a compound adjective rather than saying "from Nerva to Trajan". That said—should it be "Nervo-" to begin with? "Nerva" is a first-declension noun with an a-stem, so creating an adjective with a second-declension o-stem from it looks wrong. P Aculeius (talk) 10:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The parent category is Nerva–Antonine dynasty so I went with n-dash, but overall I don't mind either.★Trekker (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - the en-dash follows from the article Nerva–Antonine dynasty, to which Nervo-Trajanic Dynasty redirects. There is no article Nerva-Trajanic dynasty (or Nerva–Trajanic dynasty or Nervo–Trajanic dynasty (en-dashes)). (There are more possibilities with uppercase Dynasty.) Oculi (talk) 13:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not defining, unclear inclusion criteria (which relatives are supposed to be included). Avilich (talk) 15:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Nerva–Antonine dynasty in order to align with article Nerva–Antonine dynasty. Sort of WP:C2D actually. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Oberliga (ice hockey) seasons

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 10:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Oberliga (ice hockey) seasons to Category:Oberliga seasons (ice hockey)

Nominator's rationale: Parenthetical disambiguators in the middle of a title are pretty rare, and seem to me to be a bad idea. Is putting it at the end better in this case, and others such as Category:Oberliga (ice hockey) seasons and Category:Resovia (volleyball) players? Dicklyon (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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