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Sex offenders by nationality

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Category:Languages of Palestine

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:08, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Languages of Palestine to Category:Languages of the State of Palestine

Nominator's rationale: This duplicate seems to have been overlooked when most sibling categories were renamed to use State of Palestine, e.g. in this discussion, this one or this one. Looking at the content, there does not seem to be an obvious reason to differentiate between languages spoken in the State of Palestine or another understanding of the delimitation of the region: most pertinent content is duplicated in the two categories. Place Clichy (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The category was not overlooked, but re-created by User:Nehme1499 after it was renamed. Merger is probably appropriate here, with some with recategorising, as North Levantine Arabic is mainly beyond the borders of the State. The alternative would be to rename to Category:Languages of Palestine (region) as part of Category:Palestine (region). – Fayenatic London 22:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed that Category:Languages of Palestine had been deleted because it was an empty category, not because it had been moved. I don't have any position on which name should be used. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When a topic (e.g. a language) spans over several geographical entities, it is probably more common to place the article is several geographical categories rather than keeping a loosely-defined larger geographical category. That was a rationale behind the renaming of many ambiguous Palestine categories into the less ambiguous State of Palestine. So North Levantine Arabic/Category:North Levantine Arabic belong in Category:Languages of Lebanon, Languages of Syria and Category:Languages of Turkey (not Palestine according to the article), and South Levantine Arabic in Languages of Israel, Languages of Jordan and Languages of the State of Palestine. Place Clichy (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American primetime television dramas

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 9#Category:American primetime television dramas

Category:Twelvers

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Twelvers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, since 85% of Shias are adherents of Twelver Shi'ism, this category will ultimately lead to a dump of the large majority of Category:Shia Muslims and all of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep still a valid categorization, if anything the category can be turned into a container category. The vast majority of Catholics are Roman Catholics, but that doesn't mean we deleted all the categories in the Catholic category tree. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Buyid-period poets

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Buyid-period poets to Category:People of the Buyid dynasty

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles. Note that the target has been nominated for renaming to Category:People under the Buyid dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Not an improvement. The history of the Buyids is pretty well-attested, and there are more than enough articles to create to fill up the category. Per WP:SMALLCAT; "Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time." --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Poet is not an office, there is no guarantee of notability. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The office bit is just an example. Sure there is, poetry in that region and era is one of the most notable things there are. Which is also why there are 7 articles now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This category is already large enough to justify it. Anyway, any upmerge would also have to figure out how else to categorize these poets. Breaking down the Poets of Iran by the dynasty during which they produced their poetry is a reasonable project, and so this involves huge Category:Iranian poets that group together people from way too long periods of time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Exo (band)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:04, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Exo (band) to Category:Exo

Nominator's rationale: Subcategories - Category:Exo (band) EPs‎, Category:Exo (band) albums, Category:Exo (band) concert tours, Category:Exo (band) members and Category:Exo (band) songs would be moved as well. I propose this rename as the article is called Exo and so usually the categories should reflect that. --Ferien (talk) 11:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural comment, only the top category has been tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, I am still learning about CfD and forgot to tag those categories. Now done. --Ferien (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Exo (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 02:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Marcocapelle, according to Wikipedia:Categorization#Topic category, topic categories like this one should usually have the same name as the Wikipedia article. London's category matches for example, but there's also London (disambiguation). Just because we have a disambiguation page doesn't automatically mean that we shouldn't follow the Wikipedia article. --Ferien (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:London is an exception, Category:Birmingham, West Midlands is the way it is usually solved. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not always because Category:Liverpool, Category:Chester and Category:Manchester all are based on the article name as well, and most other categories I have seen around based on cities, people, topics etc. I also should note that none of the pages listed at Exo (disambiguation), apart from the transit agency category that is based on the article, would actually have categories of their own. --Ferien (talk) 06:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:C2D with the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support WP:C2D. I would have speedied if I had not seen a voice of opposition here. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. ✗plicit 12:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History in fiction

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Category:Comics genres

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Comics genres to Category:Comics by genre

Nominator's rationale: This is the same concept. There is no note about differences between the categories, and much of the content overlaps (ex. both have entries on adult comics, crime comics, etc.). After merging, wikidata/interwikis may need some cleanup (probably through the merger of the relevant WD pages). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't see an overlap here - one is about the genres themselves and the other is sorting individual works by genre. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as Zxcvbnm has stated, there doesn't seem to be any overlap. Category:Comics genres contains the articles on the genres, like Abstract comics, Crime comics, Fantasy comics, etc. Category:Comics by genre contains the articles on the individual comics, arranged into subcats such as Category:Detective comics which in turn contain the actual comics like Blake and Mortimer, Janus Stark and Tif et Tondu. Spokoyni (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Graduated of the St. Petersburg Mining Institute (until 1917)

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose for renaming, possibly merging or deletion Category:Graduated of the St. Petersburg Mining Institute (until 1917) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is presumably an attempt to split the alumni of what is now the Saint Petersburg Mining University into pre- and post-revolutionary parts (there is already a Category:Saint Petersburg Mining University alumni). For starters it should probably be something along the lines of 'Saint Petersburg Mining Institute alumni (pre 1917)'. But there is more that is perhaps problematic. In 1866 it received the name "Mining Institute" and in 1896 the name "Empress Catherine II Mining Institute". With the Bolshevik success in the October Revolution, in 1917 the imperial name was dropped and it became just the "Mining Institute" again. In 1924 it became the "Leningrad Mining Institute". It has changed name nine times since then. What name is best to group the pre-1917 names into one category? Saint Petersburg wasn't part of any of the names until 1992 when it became the "G. V. Plekhanov Saint Petersburg State Mining Institute". Should it just be 'Mining Institute alumni (pre 1917)', or is that too ambiguous? Is the '(pre 1917)' part still required? And ultimately, is it even desirable to divide the alumni into pre- and post-1917 categories anyway? Spokoyni (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with alumni of the present Mining Institute: Category:Saint Petersburg Mining University alumni -- The practice with alumni categories is that people are deemed to have graduated from the present institution where it has merged or been renamed. A pre-revolutionary split is not justified. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge There are plenty of universities which have changed their names, merged or split (and sometimes both). It doesnt seem practicable to divide their academics or alumni by the different identities. Rathfelder (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Card battle video games

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Digital collectible card games. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Card battle video games to Category:Digital collectible card games

Nominator's rationale: Category seems to completely overlap and be about the exact same thing as far as I can tell. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 01:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Merge. I concur this is the same concept. One could argue that there are some card games where there is no 'battle', but that's a pretty Orish argument. The term "card battle games" does seem to exist, but until it is properly defined with reliable sources, and someone can point out to a CCG that does not involve some form of battlin (which can be defined as a competition...), I support the merge. (We also don't have an article on card battling, and in the category this term is piped to CCGs...) Btw, food for thought. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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